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Originally posted by sinohptik
reply to post by Bedlam
My point is that cavitation is likely the process that is being observed.
It just tends to be explored through avenues which discredit "mainstream" science as bunk, and as you say, limits their credibility.
Edit: Cavitation isnt "just bubbles and splashing."edit on 16-7-2012 by sinohptik because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Bedlam
It's not dissociation to hydrogen and oxygen either.
And yeah, at the heart of it, that's what it is - formation of cavities and bubbles in a liquid. It's just sort of an extreme version of it.
Also, cavitation wouldn't tend to be frequency dependent. To some extent it's related to viscosity, tensile strength and behavior in shear but there shouldn't be exact peaks at which you magically cavitate, much less cavitate to hydrogen. Generally what you get is a threshold frequency and some relationship between cavitation strength and frequency, but not a single exact peak where it happens.
Originally posted by sinohptik
Did you miss where I said I feel Keely was a fraud? His reported behavior alone puts up red flags for me.
A recent (1965) possible verification of the frequency Keely used to dissociate water into etheric force was related to me by a scientist when we were discussing certain aspects of free energy. He wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but his name is on file. I have no other verification of this experiment, however I believe it merits telling. The scientist, I shall call him Dr. X, was doing experiments with ultrasonic sound in a column of water. The object of the experiments was to devise a means of separating various densities of materials by injecting them into a column of water which was subjected to an ultrasonic standing wave vibration. The experimental setup is sketched in Figure 3-3 (for BBS considerations a description follows). A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. Pure water was poured into the tube and the water column was "tuned" so that a standing wave was produced at 40,000 CPS (cycles per second). The transducer was powered by a 700 Watt power amplifier which was driven by an ultrasonic frequency generator. Because of the large amount of power put into the column of water a certain amount of evaporation took place at a constant rate when the transducer was energized. Therefore, to maintain a standing wave in the water column a feedback device caused the frequency to be raised as the water evaporated and the temperature changed. As a test, Dr. X decided to run through the experiment with only water in the tube to insure that a standing wave was maintained as the water evaporated and the frequency rose higher and higher. When the experiment was started everything worked beautifully. Dr. X took periodic readings of his instrumentation and was assured that the standing wave was being maintained. Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube. Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! Dr. X checked his notebook and found the last frequency entry to be 41,300 CPS. It was shortly after this that the water disappeared. Because of the time interval between the last reading and the disappearing water, the frequency sent to the transducer was higher than the last reading and Dr. X said it could well have been very close to 42,800 CPS, the Keely dissociation frequency. (11)
Originally posted by donlashway
reply to post by Bedlam
Keely I first read about this weekend but hidden power in water I have always believed in, so many things about water are not understood.
Resonant frequencies and their power has always intrigued me.
Some movie had a line about water burning at high temperatures and I did a patent search finding that oil companies have a water gas patent for equipment to clean oil wells, ( a heated box using a catalyst that does separate water to h2 & o then burns it to get high temperature steam).
I was thinking maybe that temperature equates to a frequency maybe a vibration, (sound) or several put together.
Recently there was a dentist here in FL using microwaves to disassociate water, he discovered it while looking to cure his leukemia, leukemia got him first.
I even go so far as to think JFK was killed because he wanted to use the water gas idea in the space program.
Age of Aquarius should have something to do with water and wouldn't it be neat if we were all freed by free energy from water.
So I asked for opinions and ideas about Keely and his work hoping to save some time, not to get anyone angry or upset.
Just looking for answers and ideas, Don
This paper is quite astounding in that it correlates with Keelys' claim that water can be progressively dissociated at 620, 630 and 12,000 cycles per second. These are on the molecular, atomic and etheric levels respectively.
Originally posted by roguetechie
Keely himself is the one who said 43 khz as a standalone frequency could cause disassociation of water. this much I"m certain of. He also said that the other 3 tones would work ....
My real sticking point is that no one is actually willing to test it. They'll accept it as fact and act like it's gospel but they won't do anything about it.
Do you realize how powerful and useful violent disassociation of water could be? It could most likely do everything from drilling holes to running our cars and power plants once it was harnessed and controlled. It could literally be HUGE if someone were to prove this right!
Yet no one is even willing to give it a shot.