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Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by Wonderer2012
what is the video footage I linked? Is it a different day?
Same day, just a short while before the attack took place. It's footage from a short while after the arrival at Love Field, as they were leaving it in fact:
The source is wikipedia - I know It's not the best source but It's pretty accurate still.
On Friday, November 22, 1963, at 11:40 am CST, Kennedy, his wife Jacqueline, and the rest of the presidential entourage arrived at Love Field in Dallas, Texas, aboard Air Force One after a very short flight from nearby Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth. The motorcade cars had been lined up in a certain order earlier that morning. The original schedule was for the president to proceed in a long motorcade from Love Field through downtown Dallas, and end at the Dallas Business and Trade Mart.
The motorcade was scheduled to enter Dealey Plaza at 12:10 pm, followed by a 12:15 pm arrival at the Dallas Business and Trade Mart so President Kennedy could deliver a speech and share in a steak luncheon with Dallas government, business, religious, and civic leaders and their spouses. Invitations that were sent out specify a noon start time to the luncheon while SS agent Lawson told Chief Curry that after arriving at Love Field and leaving at 11:30 the 38-45 minute trip would get them to the Trade Mart on time. Air Force One touched down at 11:39 am and did not leave Love Field until approximately fifteen minutes later.
It's also worth pointing out that the Limousine was running late as It stopped a few times along the route, and the assassination took place at approximately 12:30 pm after entering Dealey Plaza.
did Kennedy have security staff by him when he was shot in comparison to how much security he would normally have?
Personally, and this is just my opinion but I haven't studied the K-Detail extensively, but I really don't think there's too much out of place. I mean, I've seen pictures (which would probably take me a while to dig up right now) which show them near him, in a position similar to what was seen on 22/11/63 and so on and on. The main expert though is Vince Palamara and I'd really recommend reading what he has to say, whether It be for or against. His work is great. I linked his site in my last post too.
It does have to be pointed out as well that a lot of people claim they, the SS, were involved, but in reality they don't know the true relationship the SS and JFK had.. It was a friends relationship. They were closer to him, and the rather huge Kennedy family, on a personal level, than perhaps anyone else ever or since. Just looking at their relationship alone It would seem absolutely impossible to suggest they could be involved. It's also unfortunately a point that no one ever seems to consider. I think most just assume they were distant but they were actually far from it to say the least.
If the men in black approached you and said that all your family,starting with your children, one by one , would be killed in accidents over time and you would be portrayed as a "lone nutter" if you cried conspiracy, then i am sure you could be manipulated into doing almost anything, and your mouth would stay shut.
Originally posted by WWu777
How did they get the police to help in the cover up and framing of Oswald? How did they get the secret service to stand down? How did they get the driver, William Greer, to agree to slow the limo down to 10 mph until the fatal shot to JFK's head? How did they know that they would all cooperate? It can't just be that they were paid can it?
How many people would agree to a conspiracy to murder someone? I don't know anyone that would. Do you?
Well the driver of the limo, William Greer, appears to be involved. Why did he slow down after the first shot was fired? You'd think he would have speeded up and tried to get away wouldn't you? Instead, he slowed to 10 mph and waited until the fatal head shot before taking off. Isn't that way too suspicious and convenient? If he wasn't trying to get JFK killed, then what was he trying to do?
Also see episode 9, where LBJ is implicated. In fact, his mistress and one of his attorneys say they have evidence that he was in on the assassination plot. Plus he had a criminal history where he murdered many people including his own sister. It's a very damning and shocking episode. Here it is.
Madeleine has claimed over the years that she attended a party at Clint Murchison’s house the night before the assassination and LBJ, Hoover and Nixon were there. The party story, without LBJ, first came from Penn Jones in Forgive My Grief. In that version, the un-credited source was a black chauffeur whom Jones didn’t identify, and the explanation Jones gave was that it was the last chance to decide whether or not to kill JFK. Of course, Hoover used only top FBI agents for transportation and in the FBI of 1963, none were black. Actually, there is no confirmation for a party at Murchison’s. I asked Peter O’Donnell because Madeleine claimed he was there, too. Peter said there was no party. Madeleine even said there was a story about it in the Dallas Times Herald some months later (which makes no sense), but she had not been able to find it. Val Imm (Society Editor of the Dallas Times Herald) told Bob Porter (of the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza staff) recently she had no memory of such an event and even looked through her notes - in vain.
Could LBJ have been at a Murchison party? No. LBJ was seen and photographed in the Houston Coliseum with JFK at a dinner and speech. They flew out around 10pm and arrived at Carswell (Air Force Base in northwest Fort Worth) at 11:07 Thursday night. Their motorcade to the Hotel Texas arrived about 11:50 and LBJ was again photographed. He stayed in the Will Rogers suite on the 13th floor and Manchester (William Manchester - author of The Death of a President) says he was up late. Could Nixon have been at Murchison’s party? No. Tony Zoppi (Entertainment Editor of The Dallas Morning News) and Don Safran (Entertainment Editor of the Dallas Times Herald) saw Nixon at the Empire Room at the Statler-Hilton. He walked in with Joan Crawford (Movie actress). Robert Clary (of Hogan’s Heroes fame) stopped his show to point them out, saying “... either you like him or you don’t.” Zoppi thought that was in poor taste, but Safran said Nixon laughed. Zoppi’s deadline was 11pm, so he stayed until 10:30 or 10:45 and Nixon was still there.
You can't really know though. Of course if Greer was involved he wouldn't tell you that he was. He would concoct a convenient excuse like the one you gave above. Right? It's still possible that he was. How else can the conspirators know that he wouldn't have sped away after the first shot? If he had, then the whole plot would have failed. Do you think they would take that chance?
How do you know that story wasn't put out to debunk LBJ's mistress? The media is heavily controlled. When you give out evidence of a conspiracy at high levels, of course someone is going to try to discredit you. They're not going to just let you go. You know that right? Did you consider that?
the one thing that made me believes that Oswald was the lone shooter is that kennedy goes straight backwards when hit in the head This makes perfect sense if he was shot by Oswald from behind becuz an object always moves towards the shooter when shot not in the direction of the bullet as CTers says. It is a law of phisics that an object moves towards something pushing against it Peeples do not fly back away from a shooter like they does in the movees but towards the shooter. This video www.youtube.com... shows how an object moves in the direction of where it came from when hit. Notice how the ball flys towards the pitcher when coming off the bat just like how Kennedy flys back towards the book depoitory where Oswald fired the shot.
One thing that made me thinks that it was Oswald is that Kennedy and Conelly was both hit by the same bullet at the sAME tIME BECUZ cONELLY TURnED AROUND aFTER THEY WAS BOTH HIT AND yelled for Kennedy to get down becuz shots was being fired If you looks at the film at 8 seconds in you can see Conelly turns around and atrts yelling for Kennedy to get down becuz they was both hitted. Look at the film for yourself www.youtube.com... they was both hitted by the same bullet or Conelly would not have turned around to warn Kennedy/
Only dumbed down peeples who do not watch TV shows like Inside the TArget CAR and the one where they proved the magic bullet is real www.history-matters.com... e_4_lrg.jpg still believes in a conspeericy. Watch more TV like me and go to John Mc Adams web site and read his book and you will be as smart as us.
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Originally posted by jakflat1
reply to post by WWu777
first there is a conspiracy to commit a crime, and then there is a conspiracy to coverup the crime once it is commited. But it is very doubtful that it runs as deep and as all encompassing as we are lead to believe. Also just because several organizations may have been involved does not mean a large number of people were knowingly involved. Just a cuple people at the top can manipulate underlings without the underlings really knowing what is really going on. Obviously there was a conspiracy to commit a crime and a conspiracy to cover up the crime, but all encompassing .... no.