I just have one question.

Why not both?

Indeed... I think the Universe is as infinite in it's variety and wonders as it seems to be for it's size. I believe some day we'll come to find we're in an enormous but quite busy neighborhood with all sorts populating it. We just see a few from different origins.

I try to keep the conspiracy as simple as I can.

Since its quite possible for humans to make it to another planet already, however impractical, its equally possible for somebody from another planet to make it here using similar methods.

Why bother jumping through dimensions to get here when a simple rocket will work?

Originally posted by Annee
I just have one question.

Why not both?

I am thinking this too. I believe that both do exist.

I switched over once I started reading Terence McKenna and learning about '___'.

I think it's a smattering of all, extra- terrestrial, dimensional, temporal, or any combination. I would lean that there are other dimensional volumes inhabited by folks similar to us but of course with a different history, sociology, and tech level, and those from other dimensional volumes are where most of the ships and sightings people report are coming from. Some who have discovered how to safely jump from one pond to another are doing so, exploring just as we would. Perhaps they have secret gov't projects and their own people don't know about us or know that there may be other dimensional volumes. I think that's what we are doing, too, and have been doing so since the 50s.

Then there are the non-terrestrials and temporals, very far from home, probably the most advanced and secretive. They exhibit absolute control in their comings/goings and interactions with us. Probably the most bizarre of behavior for various reasons.

But yeah, from some interesting personal experiences I've had, I get the strong impression that most of what we see is extra-dimensional. I'll leave it at that.

Well, one more idea... Perhaps, just perhaps, some of our ancient civs were taken or figured out how to cross over and did so, starting whole other lines of human civs seperate from ours. Our Earth may be one of many "proving grounds".

Hey, Gut, thanks for a good thread to read, bud.

A couple people have touched on this idea already above me, i still want to chime in here though.

IMO, through out the history of mankind, written and unwritten, we have probably been in contact somehow with ET, or ID intelliegences. I think they are very closely related, maybe through technology; i think whatever 'they' may be they have a supreme understanding of life, death, and the universe in a way that humanity doesnt grasp.

The skinwalker ranch, and George Knapp, actually, was what made me believe that dimensional beings may be living lives, sentient realities, right along with us. The difference between them and us is that they can choose when to make themselves physical in this reality, while existing in another dimension. Literally a paralell to us, here, already on Earth.

ET life, for me, exists, period. Weather ancient astronaughts, greys, etc etc, it my own opinion that sentient intelligences from other planets are technologically advanced, and have mastered space travel. And i mean MASTERED IT. An Einstein/Rosen bridge cant be easily achievable, but by speculative accounts, thats the most logical way to travel through space. They have that ability, IMO, and use it to come here.

Weather or not i come in contact with a real alien in my life means little to me. Unfortunately belief in ET life has become something like a religion. If you think there is ET life in the universe, you are automattically labelled a die hard believer, when in reality the infinity that is space and time suggests scientifically that life is spread through out the universe any where that life can exist.

Fascinating story, OP! Thank you for sharing it. I've thought about this myself, and I'm in the "why not both?" category as well. I think there are planets with folks of physical being with spiritual qualities more or less like us, some life totally different from us that we cannot easily connect to (and may not want to!), and there are beings who can manifest physically and be "trans-dimensional" - going across dimensions in their travels?? i.e. going from "here" to "there" to "gone" as if they were skipping in and out of pond water (we being in the pond.) I don't know if this makes sense, but my own experience resonates with this concept. These are, of course, not the only options, just some ideas!

I had a sighting of a perfect circle, red/gold-ish with no glare, completely silent, skimming quickly across the sky during the day, underneath the blanket of grey clouds. Yep. It was about as big as my thumbnail, and moved from south to north in a straight, intentional manner (no floating, or meandering - like it was on a flight plan). As I stared at it in bewilderment, scrolling through all the things I thought it could be, I came to a point where I thought "this goes into the 'ufo' - unidentified - category! Then, in a blink of an eye, it shot forward at incredible speed, becoming a blur, a solid streak, then *poof* just as abruptly it was simply gone, at least to my eyes.

I had this strong urge to ignore that I'd seen anything, but forced myself to remember as much detail as I could. Whatever it was, it certainly didn't seem interested in me! More like it was on some unfathomable mission of its own. The sighting allowed me to step down from auto-skeptic, though I try to be aware of the most logical explanations first (I am learning a lot from debunkers on ATS in that regard - it is a good education, though it does not dim my own experience - I know what I saw.) There was a real sense of... consciousness... to the craft? Not like it was alive, but that it was controlled by aliveness, consciousness, etc. It did not seem robotic or remote controlled - very distinctly not. I had a mental impression of sorts that this was so, but no way to explain that - a bit of weirdness on the intuitive level - take it or leave it.

So, back to the question - I think that through tech and through their own abilities, beings could interfere with our perceptions of reality, thus the "high strangeness" - I also think that they may work with certain energies (and I don't mean 'entities' - I mean 'frequencies') that can easily alter human conscious perception, so that may also explain some of the high strangeness - at least it does to me, who has absolutely no proof of this, its just my opinion. Just sort of thinking out loud...

Thanks again, OP

- AB

Yeah, for some time now.

Originally posted by Annee
I just have one question.

Why not both?

Anee (and Domo 1) I don't totally preclude intelligent life on other planets…nor do I preclude some sort of Jungian explanation that its all derived somewhere in our psyche/subconscious.

It's just that I've come to regard a dimensional explanation more inclusive when factoring in all the details of the phenomena.

It would take a doctoral length dissertation to explain all my own reasoning, but I'll share more along the way.

Thanks for participating.

PLUS: Big shout-out to AQuestion, Flux8, AboveBoard, and W3RLIED2 for your fascinating comments. Thanks!

Originally posted by The GUT

PLUS: Big shout-out to AQuestion, Flux8, AboveBoard, and W3RLIED2 for your fascinating comments. Thanks!

You shout out to someone who brings Demonic into this discussion?

Really? That is damn scary.

What is YOUR earth religion?