President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by ModernAcademia

 

I think it's mostly unsuccessful people who will agree with Obama

Just more arrogance from the right.


It is hilarious that it is so foreign to some people that others don't think they are better than everyone else.


I'm pretty damn successful...but I couldn't be successful today without millions of other people before me doing what they did.

For anyone to think "I'm super successful and it's all because I am the most awesome person in the world" is just moronic and self-centered arrogance.

Just more arrogance from the left.

The individual is nothing, you are unable to do anything unless the government helps you.

You talk about arrogance, but it appears that you suffer the same affliction.....and let me guess, we couldn't be successful without illegal immigrants?

are you unable to read the words he said in his speech? is that why you just make stuff up? do you let others interpret the meanings of word-stringed sentences or their structure? were you able to take english courses in school? what you said in the reply above, has absolutely nothing to do with what Obama said.

Who said I let someone else interpret what I thought - you may not like what I think, doesn't mean that someone else told me what to write. As to the immigrant bit, he knows what I am talking about - from his Immigration thread, don't want him to call anyone arrogant when he decided to call Americans lazy.

Isn't it funny how some of these lefties get angry when someone doesn't agree with their agenda.

To say that the gov't built anything is a misleading statement.

Sure, they might have given the okay, they might have payed the contractor, but with someone else money, and someone else hard work.

To give the gov't credit for the infrastructure of our country is grandiose and self serving.

No one has the right to claim what millions of people collectively created. Just as no one can claim to have done it alone.

Whether permission from the gov't was given or not, the infrastructure would have been built anyway, just without a federal standard. The only decision the gov't ever got right, IMO was to create an infrastructure Federal guideline, so that all the roads, and signs, and other dimensions match across the board.
Peace~

Ever notice that when we build something massive or important, it is always said "Whoever built it" and they list the leader or whomever.

Yet that "leader" didn't even lift a finger, he just told others to do everything, then he took ALL the credit.
That's how human society works, and it is our history.
Fact is it was the unnamed peons who did all the real work in most cases.

I am just speaking in general about major projects conducted throughout history.

Not one goddamn person made my business happen. I built it from the ground up, by myself. No one wanted to help me, nobody. That really pisses me off that anyone would say they created my business.

Serious dillusions. What a bunch of absolute crap.

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I retract my statement...........

Look, I just commented on this thread a few minutes ago, and then I followed my usual procedure and finished reading some of the later posts that I didn't read before.

Now I'm truly frightened by the lack of knowledge, and the blind allegiance to The Federal Gov't that some of you are buying into.

Please be advised! the Federal Gov't has NEVER created anything what-so-ever.

To espouse that they have created infrastructure, and then to pat yourself on the back for it, as Obama has done, is laughable.

As an American citizen, I am proud of our infrastructure, so I can see why Obama wants the credit for creating it. It is a wonder of the modern world. a magnificent engineering feat.
Peace~

To put it another way, if you're an elitist scientist who thinks you should have privacy rights to a breakthrough for humanity, and you're so much above them in your intellect (not that your soul agreed to come and have this gift to contribute to the whole pot or anything). Well when your toilet is plugged, the plumber suddenly becomes a god doesnt he? Or if your stay at home wife and mother get struck with severe disabilities, the nanny and housecleaner suddenly becomes god doesnt she, or she should.

The concept of differences and all needed work, all work of equal value, is very basic, and something anyone with heart, mind and soul working in unison can figure out very early on.

This however has nothing to do with Government benefitting us.

Another thing, assistance or social programs. First of all, in the Venus Project, or a true moneyless system not even relying on bartering, but where its all available, and automation and technology replaces menial jobs and even dangerous jobs, and there is no cost to limit the amount of projects or technology because there is no money, so no scarsity, only abundance. Anything you can think of that is ethical, does not harm, and uses clean technology can be done, whereas in todays world, unless it brings a profit and exhorts money from the workers it is not done at all. So we don't get the alternative energies only the dangerous ones, eh?

In the true Venus Project, there is volunteering. High free education (with no need to hide truth or call theories facts and lie about the history of the planet. Real discoveries, shared. transparency). And retraining. Everyone would have the full benefits of land homes, gardens growing their own food, off grid energy, and yet the structure of society and services, so parents taking time out with kids, the handicapped and elderly would still have full benefits and access to everything. Like the linux software, everything you do put out to benefit others. Not winner take all, or strict competition for jobs, but part time, variety of skills and ways to contribute and learn, always available, and anyone can put their name in for a number of positions and be guaranteed of some work or chance to learn.

The billions kept without, not only are starving for basic necessities, but they like so many in our society, can't even contribute their talents or shine their lights.

It is the only system I support at all.

However, in this monied system, government does not give people who need assistance their money. Its not government's money. It is society that is looking after their own.

And good programs and services are the rights of all people, and not tied into rules and regulations or ownership.

Its doesnt give them any rights to fasicsm when they take a portion of the middle class and wealthy and create infrastructure and programs for the poor. That is simply citizens money boomeranging back into their neighborhoods like it should.

This speech was a complete twist on what a Family is, it seemed to give Government a special place, when its but employees that we hire to do work we can't do while we busy doing other things.

Originally posted by WiindWalker
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

All of you are failing to see the big picture here. He is simply stating that without customers, you are not a business.

It is vise versa, but it is my opinion he only sees it one way.

Didn't read all the post so who knows if what I say may go against them.

I have been in the flooring business for almost 10 years now. I did. I had a great teacher. He had been sanding hardwood for 16 years when I went to work for him. Once I saw the checks he was cashing I knew this was what i wanted to do for the rest of my life. I was 18 making $600+ a week. Not many 18 year olds can say they were doing that. I didn't finish high school, but have my ged that I've never used, never went to college, but I know how to save my money and pay my own way.
I have never, NEVER, relied on the government for any kind of assistants. Once in my life I thought I might need help, I applied for food stamps. I made $16 too much a month to get them. You know what they told me? Maybe you should work LESS. To hell with that. I took what little money I had saved and bought some ads in my local paper. I worked MORE!!!! Yes I drive across bridges and travel public roads but that's what I pay taxes for. I except those things to be there for me. Obama can suck my [snip] the worthless [snip]sucker. I hate that stupid [snip]. He thinks he's God. [snip] him. I was one of the dumb Americans that voted for him to say I'm not a racist. Come November I won't vote for him to prove I'm not stupid. I was raised as a republican and have strayed from my party ONCE. Never again. Obama can go to hell. Lying [snip]sucker.

ETA: wow I went way off topic there. Anyway. I built my business. I stayed hungry for a long time trying to get myself established. After 7 years on my own I have builders that use me exclusively, stores that don't like to use anyone else, and lots and lots of recommendations. Big name ppl. Some are even famous. How did I do that you ask? I WORKED MY ASS OFF!!!! Once i was on my own a very wise man told me this. "A bad job will follow you everywhere. A great job won't follow you around the block." I strive to make sure every floor I do is one i would want in my own house. I

Originally posted by ABNARTY
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Look, I am not a fan or a detractor of the man. He is just another politician. However...

To a degree he is correct. If you are successful today at almost anything, it comes on the backs of those who have come before you. It comes on the backs of those around you. Of course, you have a good deal to do with it too. There are many a lazy individuals with similar avenues open to them as the successful person but do not take advantage of it.

While I have no clue what the man is thinking (unlike many of the other gifted mind readers commenting) I agree there are too many who feel they are "their own man", "I did it my way", "pulled up by my own boot straps", etc. That is self absorbed, self aggrandizing nonsense.

I do not believe we need more government in our lives (if that was indeed the snake oil he was selling) but things like infrastructure allows us to build what we do. Emergency services allow us to do it with a degree of confidence we have someone to call if it gets crazy. The military allows us a bubble in which to build our future. All those things come with some degree of collectivism or government.

I just saw a TV special about the lack of water in India. There was people laying around in filth and garbage doing nothing, and kids trying to catch rain in pans. One guy worked hard bought a water tank on a hand pulled trailer with a filter and brought water to a lot of waterless people for 18 cents a five gallon container, both making money and saving life's. Guess anywhere if a person is motivated he can do things.

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I have to believe you're joking. If you work hard and are successful you should look down on the beggars and nerdowells of society. I'm not suggesting that you should spit on them or hate them but you should absolutely see them for what they are. Whenever I drive by section 8 housing and see all the grown men sitting on their porches in the middle of the day, no job, no prospect, no initiative. Darn right I look down on them. I do not have any desire to sympathize with their plight, I have no desire to feed them, house them or take care of their children.

A frind of mine who has slightly socialist leanings had an interesting thing happen recently. The red cross moved some low class family into his building, it is supposed to be temporary. Anyway, these people are slobs, they have junked up their property, their uncouth children say inappropriate things to people around the pool area. They litter and just have a very welfare lifestyle. It's all well and good to be a poor-hugger until they move them into your neighborhood, then you quickly realize why these people are trapped at the bottom.

You can and should work hard and you should give your children and family and friends every advantage that you can. You should have a sense of civic responsibility as far as it is beneficial to your greater well being. You should not be asked to take care of people who have done nothing to earn their way in the world, you should not be made to feel guilty for others lack of motivation. I've never met a person who really was willing to work hard who has not had some measure of success.

This is what many people say,

"I'm a hard worker, I deserve a good job. 40 hours a week, nights and weekends off, plenty of vacation time. I don't want to clean toilets and I don't want to have to work in the heat, and I need to be done by 5 every day. I have an injured back and my knees hurt so I need to be able to sit all day. I'm not gonna put up with rude customers and I'm not gonna hurry for anyone, and I will say what's on my mind. That's my right, I deserve a good job!"
And this same person just can't understand why they have a hard time securing good employment. Thye look at successful people and say,
"You should get off your high horse, you ain't so great. I'd be a millionaire too if it wasn't for the fact that my health is bad and my parents didn't send me to a good school."

Originally posted by MidnightTide
President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen’

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

www.theblaze.com...


Just a few quotes from President Obama's speech in Roanoke, Virginia and it speaks volumes of how that individual thinks. To me, those statements suggest we all should be so very thankful of the government, of how "they" built the infrastructure we all enjoy, and don't mind when we raise your taxes...it is paying back the government, who really built your business.

What a load of garbage, the government didn't build a damn thing. It is the people, their sweat, their tears and their blood that builds a nation. It seems that those in government, from both parties, have forgotten this. Without the people, the government is nothing.

The Government (We the People) didn't build the internet. Al Gore didn't invent the internet. Scientists at several universities under program funding in the way of GRANTS, issued by the US Government invented the internet.

I had a small business I started with $1.00 and had it for 10 years in a small town in Texas. No, I BUILT that business on my own, without the HELP of the US Government. So Mr. Obama, You Sir, ARE WRONG !

reply to post by MsAphrodite


Wow! You seem to think that the job a person performs makes them better(business owner) or lesser (janitor). You also assume that the janitor, or ancillary employee should be grateful to the business owner for his/their job.

I disagree. I don't see how any business owner or entrepeneur can generate a product by themselves. Business is a symbiotic endeavor. If the business owner hires a janitor, it's because he NEEDS one.

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S&F

Nice find, OP.

This is very disturbing yet not surprising at all. He has absolutely no concept of what it takes to start and run a business. He is also a complete statist and confirmed narcissist.

I believe that Obama, like most of us, is simply speaking from his own life experiences. Everything that man has WAS indeed given to him by others; certainly his senate seat and the presidency were.

Anybody who thinks for a minute this country has a chance with four more years of this mindset is either oblivious or clearly insane IMO.

Originally posted by dakota1s2
The gov did not build the roads. Private companies did with money from free enterprise.

Holy carp do you actually believe that? Post a source, please.

books.google.ca...

en.wikipedia.org...

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There is a limit to Govt though isn't there. Infrastructure spending it's maintenance can be justified,
but face it free economic interaction creates wealth. Obama is a 'commy' puppet and his ilk are going to destroy America, unless people somehow keep the State at a sensible level .

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by dakota1s2
The gov did not build the roads. Private companies did with money from free enterprise.

Holy carp do you actually believe that? Post a source, please.

books.google.ca...

en.wikipedia.org...

When the country was being created, people made the roads, people and business made the railroad.

Originally posted by MidnightTide

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by dakota1s2
The gov did not build the roads. Private companies did with money from free enterprise.

Holy carp do you actually believe that? Post a source, please.

books.google.ca...

en.wikipedia.org...

When the country was being created, people made the roads, people and business made the railroad.

When the country was created? You mean some dirt roads in the 1700's?

Dude, the roads are built by the government. The entire interstate system that any business relies upon was built by the government. The railroads would NEVER have been built without help from the government. Your understanding of basic american history is LAUGHABLE, which is why you cant post a SINGLE source to support your claims.

Read my sources.

This thread belongs in the hoax bin. Obama is misquoted. Has anybody bothered to listen to the 40 minute speech? Putting these lies on ATS makes the site look bad.

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