President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

reply to post by MidnightTide


Sorry if this has already been said...

Atlas needs to shrug.

Then let's see how the marxist collective utopia that Obama dreams about keeps the world going.

The parasites can only exist as long as the productive class let's them.

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by tkwasny
I am so going to plagiarise that last sentance, Nite-Wing. I've never heard that before and it holds very high information density.

You probably shouldn't, it doesn't sound like he has much of a clue of what he's talking about.

Capitalism/Materialism always leads to one of two things: a rise in tyranny or socialism. Marxism is more akin to the republic we live under in America than the economic system we use, this economic system is what is being so widely praised and guarded even though its inevitably going to change. Matter of fact they are two different things entirely. It's odd that people think that "capitalism" is supposed to be our type of government or something.

Virginia is a commonwealth state and by nature it is "more socialist" than a lot of places in the US, that's probably why Obama was saying a lot of the things he did there. I don't think Nite-Wing understands anything about these systems, how they relate to each other or how they are similar. He's merely reciting punch lines and defending something he doesn't understand. People eat up propaganda and think certain things and words are supposed to be "inherently bad", not understanding that our state and local governments and even our republic to some extent follows principles along the lines of socialism. Or at least it was meant to when it was conceived, instead of forced socialism we are supposed to be operating under a bargaining system where employment is a mutual contract and not something that feels more like slavery where the fief doesn't have much of a say in how much hes paid or the conditions of his life and work, or if there is any work at all because it's all outsourced for the almighty dollar.

Hence, the poor become poorer and the rich become richer and throw money at our government system and America becomes the oligarchy that everyone so blindly believes it is supposed to be. "The dark ages" lasted for centuries before there was finally an intellectual awakening and revolution, nothing happened except tyranny and the accumulation of power in the hands of a few. How long will the next one last? Forever?

The problem is our systems of government are being distorted and ignored in the minds of men in favor of an economic system. The economic system is becoming our government system through cronyism, bribery and corruption. Another word for a government system based on classes and materialism is feudalism, feudalism sucks so bad its what inspired the Magna Carta and then later on our own Constitution. People like to say Democrats are "socialists"... well they aren't, "fascist social republican" would be a better word for what a lot of people mean I think, it's still not the right one and hell I don't even know if a word exists for what the Democratic party has become. Democrats like to use people's ignorance and tendency to form into opposing groups to boost their own power, there really isn't much that's socialist about it and the messed up thing is nobody understands or cares.

Hell, I don't really even understand.
Petrarch

So true...the last sentence...Fact is, you could have spared the site a few bits of information space and not posted any response.

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

star,
the simple truth is no one secedes in isolation,

people forget
the simple truth

xploder

Do you mean succeed? If so, define success?

Originally posted by MeMyselfI
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Sorry if this has already been said...

Atlas needs to shrug.

Then let's see how the marxist collective utopia that Obama dreams about keeps the world going.

The parasites can only exist as long as the productive class let's them.

My post just prior to yours pretty well destroys the out of context interpretation that OP was trying to draw attention to, saying this speech makes Obama a Marxist just makes the whole thread look even more ridiculous.

Oh look , most ATS members love big, intrusive government and are more than willing to accept that they are nothing without it.


Sad....

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Oh look , most ATS members love big, intrusive government and are more than willing to accept that they are nothing without it.


Sad....

Now that I have destroyed the premise of this thread, your random, pointless opinions are pretty well all that can sustain it, so keep up the good work!

Originally posted by stanats

Originally posted by MeMyselfI
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Sorry if this has already been said...

Atlas needs to shrug.

Then let's see how the marxist collective utopia that Obama dreams about keeps the world going.

The parasites can only exist as long as the productive class let's them.

My post just prior to yours pretty well destroys the out of context interpretation that OP was trying to draw attention to, saying this speech makes Obama a Marxist just makes the whole thread look even more ridiculous.

Obama needs to make a speech to make him a Marxist?

Originally posted by totallackey

Originally posted by stanats

Originally posted by MeMyselfI
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Sorry if this has already been said...

Atlas needs to shrug.

Then let's see how the marxist collective utopia that Obama dreams about keeps the world going.

The parasites can only exist as long as the productive class let's them.

My post just prior to yours pretty well destroys the out of context interpretation that OP was trying to draw attention to, saying this speech makes Obama a Marxist just makes the whole thread look even more ridiculous.

Obama needs to make a speech to make him a Marxist?

If you can make the case for him being a Marxist without b.s. threads like this, go for it! Let me express my sympathies ahead of time for you wasting your time.

Well anyways, just to reiterate, for those trying to keep this phony baloney fraudulent thread going as if it had some basis in fact; here again are the words spoken by Obama, immediately after OP's out of context snippet:

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Not exactly Communist Manifesto material but there you have it.

Originally posted by stanats

Originally posted by PvtHudson
Oh look , most ATS members love big, intrusive government and are more than willing to accept that they are nothing without it.


Sad....

Now that I have destroyed the premise of this thread, your random, pointless opinions are pretty well all that can sustain it, so keep up the good work!

Isn't that a relief, thank god we have people like you to determine what is right and wrong. You should be a politician.

Now where is that sarcasm smiley?

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Any person who supports progressive taxation in any form is a Marxist. Case closed. I did not need any bs thread or anything else to prove the point. It does not matter whether any other term (i.e., Republican, Democrat, Independent) is utilized as an adjective. If you support progressive taxation, you are a marxist...it really is that simple.

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I agree with the the OP and the first two posts, haven't had a chance to read everyone's opinion yet.

I think we are royally screwed, because I think even though Romney's a self-made man, I think after his passage of Romneycare in Mass. and who knows what other baggage he has connected to him that may or may not necessarily of his own making, the MSM will find it, and bring it to our attention I'm sure. so, I don't think he was the best choice either.

I always think when a certain newsation shows the caption, your voice your choice. Since when?

I don't believe in either party anymore. However, I do lean more libertarian.

What can we do to get this thread steered back on topic? I know, how about a funny youtube video!

youtu.be...

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Let me express my sympathy for you for your tendencies: to blind allegiance; utilize obfuscation tactics; and, general ignorance of political and economic systems.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by jude11


I paid for those roads and so did my fore fathers. With taxes and sweat. The water lines? Paid for those as well.

No you didnt. You paid a teeny, tiny portion, and yet benefit from the whole. That's Government. Government isnt a bogeyman in the sky. It's the efforts of a collective of people.

You could NEVER have opened a business if the government hadnt facilitated such work like building the infrastructure you take for granted every day, like supply chains, roads, sewer, gas electric, etc. That's all built by the government. Not you and your grandad.

Govt. sponsored infrastructure? Don't you mean people sponsored infrastructure? The Govt. can't operate without OUR money, labor, ideas etc.

Your mistake is thinking 'the government' isnt 'the people'.It's the same thing. That is a direct effect of corporate propaganda, that has conditioned you to believe that you dont benefit from the infrastructure that has been created by a functioning government.

It's easy to complain about taxes. But a sensible person recognizes the obvious benefits of a functioning government, even with the excesses, etc.

But that's only my opinion.

Peace

Do you think that corporations are people too?

After reading Obama's entire speech, here are a couple of statements I don't understand.

I’ve got a different idea. I do believe we can cut -- we’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently.

First of all, a trillion dollar worth of cuts over a ten year period isn't squat.

Secondly, when is Obama going to actually make the government work more efficiently? Last time I looked, I thought that the government had sent out over $375 Billion in improper payments and errors in the last three years. That's still a rate incredibly higher than his $100 Million in cuts each year.

We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more. (Applause.) And, by the way, we’ve tried that before -- a guy named Bill Clinton did it. We created 23 million new jobs, turned a deficit into a surplus, and rich people did just fine. We created a lot of millionaires.

First of all, Clinton didn't turn a deficit into a surplus. He managed to spend less in one budget year creating a surplus for that budget year, but it did not create a surplus for the entire deficit.

Secondly, how did 23 million jobs get created in able to create all of these millionaires?

Wasn't it Bill Clinton's deregulation of derivatives and the mortgage industry that allowed them to create them in the first place?

Now that we don't have all of those millionaires any more, how much more can you tax those that are left?

Didn't Obamacare already tax the hell out of those that were left to pay for this one program?

I write children's books.

I use photoshop to illustrate them (which was made by other people) and I use a company to print them for me, but that's not the point Obama is making here, on a subliminal level, anyway.

He wants people to think that the dreams they have can not be made real without other people, like we are some sort of hive.


My dreams are made by me.



Next he will say that nature doesn't make the fruit we eat, because we plant the seeds.


He's using words that are meant to break imaginations, and I don't like that.

whenever politicians make a speech on the campaign trail the first question you must ask yourself is, what's in it for them?

politicians do not make speeches based on genuine care nor historic fact, they do it to position themselves somewhere, now where does this attempt to position obama.

on the heals of the Libor scandal, with the fed being implicated and we know the big 16 lending institutions of the world will be drug into it. it would seem obama want's to dis associate himself with big business and big banking, of course only on the surface one would imagine, after all who's paying for his campaign...

one things for certain fellow American citizens, in the year 2012, when a politician speaks all anyone would be wise to hear is blah, blah, blah because it's all lies and we know that.

I wonder how many businesses Obama started.....oh right....

none.

Trying to calculate credit where it is due historically is a daunting task, even without historic tributes. So many other factors come into play, if it wasn't for WW2 Germany, Eniac and many other early computers wouldn't be developed and much of the government research which attributed to the rise of the internet would not have taken place. If it wasn't for China inventing gunpowder, none of us wouldn't be here today. There would be other people living their lives, possibly without computers or even the internet. Also with possibly less warfare and every nation should thrive towards minimizing warfare.

I think his words are disempowering and one sided, it's because each new generation makes an effort to learn and improve, sometimes creating new inventions altogether, of that what their ancestors created and left behind which is what makes a nation going and progressing. The older generation should take a step back (meaning give up an amount of wealth) and invest more in the younger generation who do not only have to process more information each successive generation than any previous generation for progress to happen but also have to work harder for the debt of the previous generations to dissolve. All things which I believe should go into the equation of who has how much credit and why or what for. One sided because it doesn't take the negative things into account of all those of the previous generations the young should not be grateful for and should avoid for themselves.