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President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I will guarantee you no one helped my immigrant blacksmith grandfather and father start their BLACKSMITH business, back in the day, where they went down in the mines to shoe mules, that saw them through the great depression, and into the modern era when dad started welding in his shop.

I have had three small businesses, just working from my home, I work one job to buy the supplies for the other,

No government grants.



But. . . but. . . . but. . . . but the government built the road that you drive on to get to your house!

So just hush up and give Obama all your stuff.



funny bee, they had dirt roads back then


You drove on the dirt made by the working class?


You 1%'er you!
*shakes fist*





posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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I would rather drive down a dirty,muddy road than listen to socialist rants from

Obama and Elisabeth Warren.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by beezzer
 


I would rather drive down a dirty,muddy road than listen to socialist rants from

Obama and Elisabeth Warren.


Just don't drive the government mandated Chevy Volt.
(they tend to explode)



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by 1PLA1
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Speaking of Joe the plumber....I could not believe what Obama said to him. Obama wanted to make sure others enjoyed sucess too.

I looked up the word sucess...my dictionary definition: to get rich.

Apparently, Obama wants all the do-nothing slouches to get rich off the backs of hard-working Americans.

Thanks for reminding me of more evidence we have an "Idiot-in-Chief" in OUR Whitehouse!


Obamas days are numbered.

Even Chris Mattews has turned on him.

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Awe no more tingle up his leg? Seriously its a bad sign when the liberal media starts eating it's own.

Even Time magazine has gone on record saying this president absolutely hates dealing with lawmakers. That's like 80 percent of the job! To actually govern. He's too busy playing the class warfare card and according to Mr. Tingly here is busy whooping it up in the White House.

Jimmy Carter Jr.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
I will guarantee you no one helped my immigrant blacksmith grandfather and father start their BLACKSMITH business, back in the day, where they went down in the mines to shoe mules, that saw them through the great depression, and into the modern era when dad started welding in his shop.

I have had three small businesses, just working from my home, I work one job to buy the supplies for the other,

No government grants.



Not me, I aint that old, but my father and grandfather did.

But. . . but. . . . but. . . . but the government built the road that you drive on to get to your house!

So just hush up and give Obama all your stuff.



funny bee, they had dirt roads back then


You drove on the dirt made by the working class?


You 1%'er you!
*shakes fist*



Not me but my parents did, I aint that old
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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Ma'am, please forgive me, I was being a bit of an ass. My point being was to illustrate how ludicrous their (Obama's) argument is.

Thanks for playing along though.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Well there are still dirt(proletariat) roads where I grew up. In the summertime, they spread oil on them to keep the dust down.

I think I'll call Obama and let him know that they are PO'ed about it. If they had those bourgeoisie asphalt roads there, they could be bidnessmens too.


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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by beezzer
 
Well there are still dirt(proletariat) roads where I grew up. In the summertime, they spread oil on them to keep the dust down.

I think I'll call Obama and let him know that they are PO'ed about it. If they had those bourgeoisie asphalt roads there, they could be bidnessmens too.


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And who makes the oil????


The people who think that roads create businesses are the same ones that think expensive golf clubs make great golfers.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by flashtrum

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by 1PLA1
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


Speaking of Joe the plumber....I could not believe what Obama said to him. Obama wanted to make sure others enjoyed sucess too.

I looked up the word sucess...my dictionary definition: to get rich.

Apparently, Obama wants all the do-nothing slouches to get rich off the backs of hard-working Americans.

Thanks for reminding me of more evidence we have an "Idiot-in-Chief" in OUR Whitehouse!


Obamas days are numbered.

Even Chris Mattews has turned on him.

edit on 17-7-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)


Awe no more tingle up his leg? Seriously its a bad sign when the liberal media starts eating it's own.

Even Time magazine has gone on record saying this president absolutely hates dealing with lawmakers. That's like 80 percent of the job! To actually govern. He's too busy playing the class warfare card and according to Mr. Tingly here is busy whooping it up in the White House.

Jimmy Carter Jr.
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Why doesn't Obama enjoy their company?

Could it be that most democrats are not as far left as Obama?

Birds of a feather flock together.

Obama is a Marxist masquerading as a moderate.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 
Ma'am, please forgive me, I was being a bit of an ass. My point being was to illustrate how ludicrous their (Obama's) argument is.

Thanks for playing along though.




I understand, Bee



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

President Obama If your the "president" You didn't get there on your own someone else bribed and lied to put you there.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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He blasted Wall Street, big business, big banks, big oil, "excess profits," "corporate profits" and "fat contracts," "millionaires" and the "wealthy."

He called out the "corporation executive" for not paying his "fair" share.

He attacked "GOP" tax cuts that "spare the rich" and "benefit millionaires."

He trumpeted the public sector over the private sector.

He advocated wealth redistribution from greedy "corporations" to "health insurance" and "public works projects."

He favored taxpayer-funding of universal health care. He supported government stimulus to rescue America from (allegedly) another Great Depression.

He wanted to rid America of "huge funds" finding their way into the "pockets" of "Wall Street." "Instead," he declared, "money should be spent for the benefit of the people instead of the corporations."

He supported nationalization and singled out General Motors for government action.

He favored the Russians at the expense of countries like Poland and Czechoslovakia.

He rejected Winston Churchill, and wanted the heralded prime minister nowhere within the White House.

He insisted that American foreign policy was about "big profits" for big oil.

He cited the American Founders and the U.S. Constitution, and described himself and his policies as "progressive," while his detractors accused him of being a communist.

He adopted slogans like "Forward" and "Change." He wanted to transform America through what he called "fundamental change."

Who is this man?


Who is this man?

Obama's mentor Frank Marshall Davis.
As A Teen, Obama Deeply Influenced By Communist Mentor
news.investors.com...

Obama is very transparent.

I see right through him.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:11 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
Someone helped you open a business. Either wealthy parents, or a loan or something.


Sometimes not.
I had to take a loan against my 401K to get my business. House too as a matter of fact.
Some people suceed in 'spite' of the system not because of.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:22 PM
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Well, aren't you a reactionary leftist, brainwashed by the pretty words you probably can't even understand...

Because of Capitalism the internet was created, and you wouldn't even have a pc, or a microwave, or a fridge, or any of tens of thousands things that were invented for capitalism...

If you are a socialist please show me how may things have been possible due to socialism/communism?... Apart from maybe a couple of aircraft, socialism hasn't done ANYTHING but subjugate people to the will of a few...

You are so brainwashed that you got it backwards...

BTW, how old are you and in what country were you born?

BTW, you should leanr the difference between capitalism and Corpocracy... Capitalism derives from a true free Market. Meanwhile Corpocracy derives from socialism, as corporate individuals seek to consolidate power and control a entire monopolies...
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by VforVendettea

Originally posted by Domo1
Someone helped you open a business. Either wealthy parents, or a loan or something.


Sometimes not.
I had to take a loan against my 401K to get my business. House too as a matter of fact.
Some people suceed in 'spite' of the system not because of.


Some people find it bizarre that others practice something called self - reliance.


The USA succeeds best when the government gets out of the way.

We need to make the U.S. government tiny.

That's easier said than done.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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This argument is fine for contemporary history... and even though I think it is rubish, let's say that the roads built and dams built and all the factories built made businesses succeed...

Who helped the entreprenuers that crossed the prairie and mountains and even oceans succeed?

The original trading posts... the fronteir general stores.. the original blacksmith... and the guys that shaved the boards that amde the kegs... what government program helped the pioneers as they folowed the wagon ruts west? Who or what government program helped the ranchers... there was no FDA or EPA...

They decided to do it theirself... they built the cabins and barns and fences and paddocks from logs they felled. they bred cattle they caught and bred the animals with traits they saw as valuable and vital.

Someone with a flair saw opportunity for a store to go up... to sell supplies to local ranchers and farmers...

Entreprenuers saw an opportunity to move west and cut roads, create communication, and like the internet... they were so far a. of the govt... the US Govt was behind in providing protection and stability... so these settlements formed their own militias and armies and law... even coined their own currency

What government backed the settlers from across the sea... most government sponsered settlements from England and France failed... the private sponsered settlements to create a PROFIT from TRADE and INDUSTRY prospered and grew. Where were the roads and dams and bridges the govt built for the NC settlers to harvest pine tar for shippment back to England?

There weren't any... nada... none. the settlers built them from lumber and timber harvested from the vast pine forests of NC... so they could harvest more timber and lumber to ship back to England... for a PROFIT.

Same with pickled fish, salted oysters and shell fish, same with hides and skins... look up history and see which mountain man got his OK from the federal govt to catch beavers back in the 1820s and 1830s... he just did it... want to make liquor... you made a still.. made liquor... made money... created an INDUSTRY for PROFIT.

People were creating societies and cities in wildernesses before their were roads and infrastructure and a government to help regulate it... often times... their was no government. In fact, you couldn't become a state untuil you had enough people...so where did all those businesses and people come from?

They went and built it themselves. How many times have we read a book or seen a movie of a successful rancher or farmer or business person and they are all proud of how they took the raw wilderness and cut a life and business out of it with their own two hands... hard work, and sweat, and long days...

That is the American Spirit... that is the engine that has driven this country for over 200 years and Obama is trying to squelch it and crush it with his socialist jack boots

Not everyone wins...not everybusiness thrives... there are some losers... He and the other commie leftists are trying to do to reality and business what they have done to the football team, and the little league, and school work... there are no losers...everybody is a winner... we all get gold stars and cookies for effort... we all make the team...

Too many people have grown up with this false reality and are now the ones clapping for his socialist manifesto...

We are now reaping what we have sown for too many years...

May God help us all.
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posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Obama was just trying to smear American Exceptionalism.

That was a bad idea.

He has already dipped in the Rasmussen poll. Romney 47% / Obama 44%

Everybody knows we need a capitalist to lead us out of this Obama economic malaise.

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Obama just had his Joe the Plumber moment in 2012.





posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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I just want someone that has some business sense, some common sense, and loves this country.

I am not too fond of Romney either...

But if your car has broke down and you are walking... even a smokey ol' Pinto looks good when it stops and asks if you need a ride.



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by AlreadyGone
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


I just want someone that has some business sense, some common sense, and loves this country.

I am not too fond of Romney either...

But if your car has broke down and you are walking... even a smokey ol' Pinto looks good when it stops and asks if you need a ride.


That sounds good to me.

Obama - hates - this country.

All of those $$$ trillion deficits were not an accident. Obama added $5 trillion in

only 4 years on purpose.

- Socialism Gone Wild -



posted on Jul, 17 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Hi guys,

My take on the situation:

Government is an organization, just like any private organization.... just a group of people - except, they do not work with a profit motive. Instead they take home salaries. They do not go around saying: "All we ask is a chance to prove that money doesn't make us happy".

If you take all the net work done in this world - it is either a public organization or a private organization or a combination of both that does the work. There is no way that the individuals that constitute any of these organizations are not interested in taking home money - and they are put in positions of power, when it comes to doing work that is for the "common good".

There is legitimate work that is required by the public for the public, that governments execute. (If you like private organizations so much, feel free to recommend that private organizations take over the running of your country, and watch what a "for profit" motivated organization can do with your money). Yes, governments do not do the entire work themselves. They do contract private corporations to do a lot of the work as well - who, by the way, do not go around chanting "All we ask is a chance to prove that money doesn't make us happy", either.

Not all private, for profit organizations cheat people. Neither do all public servants work with the intention of cheating people. Whether you have private companies or public organizations taking the money, the work that needs to get done is to be paid for. Neither organizations are perfect god and his perfect angels.

What I feel is that when people get cheated: this is where the resentment lies. This of course is in addition to the numerous issues upon which people feel free to disagree. For instance: should a private company pave the roads, or should a public organization do the work. One way or another, there will be a section of the money paid out that will either be a) wasted or b) profited from - potentially, and the sky is the limit for justifications. One of my friends once told me that there was a saying about governments' motto on spending money: "There is no job simple enough for us not to complicate".

Take for instance what I have heard in Canada. The Canadian government hands out blocks of money to medical organizations. The medical organizations are not held very accountable for what they provide with the money. Take for instance, the fact that year after year, there are doctors within the system who simply write their own pay cheques and I have heard from nurses that these doctors occasionally writes themselves a raise of 40% in one year - on top of some of the most ridiculous salaries. The number of medical practitioners are limited by the medical profession themselves - in Canada - a conflict of interest.

Take another instance, where the money, you and I own, is printed/electronically released for interest on the amount of money - rather than a fixed fee for printing, year after year after year - again thanks to your governments. Private entrepreneurs have a big hand in creating this kind of profit taking - I call it cheating.

Another problem that occurs with the system, being a monopoly game, the way it is, is the protection of the historic avenues by which organizations earn money, even if it is unfair. This is what law protects often times and there are enormous penalties associated with recanting these perks. This is another cheat.

This is not to say that there aren't numerous organizations that make their money through honest means. There are numerous organizations that do make their money through honest means.

It doesn't personally matter to me which sort of organizations are put to running the system, if they wish to cheat and steal and murder people, they CAN do it.

It is akin to the following theory: The desert gets rain and is initially well watered. Over time, small rivulets form and they eventually join and form small rivers, which join and form larger rivers and eventually join the ocean. This is true of almost any system that is man-made and is inherent to a monopoly game as well. It can be corrected, if all the parties at the game recognize the weakness and collectively make appropriate corrections to wealth distribution.

The wealth, which was then, originally owned by the whole of the people, is now funnelled through networks of power, that eventually cause its own downfall. This is because the markets become incapable of sustaining the purchasing required to continue an economy.

I would prefer that instead of choosing types of organizations - choose the people with which you live and work along side. It is up to you the ordinary citizen to find honest, trustworthy people to work with - who will work with you to help keep the equitable distribution of wealth - this creates healthy markets to sell wares in, and the money in circulation - this is what increases the wealth you see around you - not the stagnation of money in the hands of the few.
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