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President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
And your response for my argument is to proclaim I am crazy?...


That's called a strawman using nothing to back your response/argument but an ad hominem attack...


That is a strawman?
I guess it has been redefined.
It was not a response to your argument, it was a response to your posting in general. I am pretty sure I said that already and you responded to it before it was removed. That is what I am talking about.


Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by habitforming

So....?
Show me a single person that built a successful business all alone.
Just one.


That's your argument?...

Businesses start as ideas, and many of them are innovative ideas that one person, or a group of people who started such business had...

Are you going to claim now that because entrepreneurs, or anyone anywhere in the world should not have private property because they hired people to work for them?...


I never mentioned private property or hired workers.


So, the idea that Ford had to build a car didn't belong to him and he had to pay the janitor half of what Ford made according to you?...


Who were you calling crazy?...

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This is what I was getting at right here. I never said any of this but you made it up in your head and argued with it. How sane is that?
I am talking about customers. Slow down.




posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by links234
Most every wealthy individual didn't get there on their own. They had some help somewhere along the way from society. Whether it be safe roads or reliable energy sources or public education.

And those people paid taxes, like everyone else.




Since when doe the wealthy pay taxes "like everybody else."
Does Paris Hilton pay the same tax on here inheritance I would if I earned that money through straight work, no investments or windfalls?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by habitforming


Since when doe the wealthy pay taxes "like everybody else."

Property tax, income tax, sales tax, inheritance tax, death tax and so on.



Originally posted by habitforming
Does Paris Hilton pay the same tax on here inheritance I would if I earned that money through straight work, no investments or windfalls?

Taxes were already paid when the money was earned. And taxes on investments were paid as well.
Since when was it considered that Paris Hilton was a job creator and/or business owner?

Nice try. You fail.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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President Obama comes across as rude and arrogant towards the eocnomy.He just is making people more divided.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 01:59 PM
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Also is common sense that the more money you make or earn the more taxes and money you pay.Unless you found a loophole to bypass taxes.This countrys leadership is becoming a joke to its own people.
They cannot argue or debate without using common sense anymore.All doctored up words and flat out lies and terrible politicaly corrrect words than have no ounce of real truth to it.
They argue over a health care bill if it is a tax or a penalty.All I know is it is more money gone from the average american pockets who are gonna be even more broke than they all ready are.Rich people are still going to be able to afford everything.
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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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reply to post by MidnightTide
 


Didn't the people build the government.?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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Here's the whole speech for anyone who might be interested. I'm not an Obama supporter, I don't trust the guy, but I do agree with what he says in this speech.




Click here if it doesn't work.


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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Why do people actually believe that Government builds,roads,bridges, and schools etc. last time I looked that was local and state tax revenue paying private business to do a job.

Really do have to laugh when people think they throw a few bucks as tax revenue and pat themselves on the back as a job well done.

How many people in this thread worked on all those things they say they have?

Obama is wrong just like his supporters with the line of "reasoning" they are trying to legitimize.


IF you get a welfare check- you didn't earn that, someone else worked for it.

Typical misdirection at the earners and doers that leftists are so famous for.


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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Excellent point....very almost all the "work" that the government does is through corporations. Yet another point few on the far left seem to understand.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Just sayin'


iowntheworld.com...



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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it is obvious by "THAT" he was referring to infrastructure, internet, transportation etc. that facilate business.

Maybe it would have helped with the confusion on what "that" refers to if those spinning this had included the VERY NEXT SENTENCE???



If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by beezzer
 


it is obvious by "THAT" he was referring to infrastructure, internet, transportation etc. that facilate business.

Maybe it would have helped with the confusion on what "that" refers to if those spinning this had included the VERY NEXT SENTENCE???



If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.



So if someone doesn't have "individual initiative", do they still succeed?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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IMO, it's too late now.

He said it and the average person already has their own Individual "perception".

Bad choice of words and bad placement in any paragraph.

Only the die-hards will listen (even if they don't understand).

He's preaching to his own choir again.

Nothing in his speech had any merit to convince non-supporters to vote for Obama (again).

He is raining on his own parade. ......

trouble is, the Sun is out and you can't hide from the Sun


The "writers" knew this would happen.

Obama want O-U-T of Washington. He's had enough.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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The Internet didn’t get invented on its own.


Two points that could be made here if that leftist had their way the military where that spending made the technology possible, would have never happened, but still private education created the science behind it, but where someone saw and opportunity to make millions off it.

Nothing nothing no technological advancements or wealth creation as in a job came from social engineering.

The internet did not
The iphone did not
Satellites did not.

Nothing
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posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by beezzer
 


it is obvious by "THAT" he was referring to infrastructure, internet, transportation etc. that facilate business.

Maybe it would have helped with the confusion on what "that" refers to if those spinning this had included the VERY NEXT SENTENCE???



If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.



So if someone doesn't have "individual initiative", do they still succeed?


??

If someone does not have "individual initiative"...they rarely succeed.

Nor does "individual initiative" translate to success without help and support.

Would you succeed in opening a Home Depot in Afghanistan right now?

Would facebook succeed if there was no internet?

Do you not need roads leading to your business? Access to technology? Consumers? Hard working and well educated employees?

Confused on how you are confused?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Just thought I'd add some fuel to the fire:

11 Things Wrong With Congress



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by xuenchen
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IMO, it's too late now.

He said it and the average person already has their own Individual "perception".

Bad choice of words and bad placement in any paragraph.



There is a pattern of right wing idealogues and associated media mistaking their own echo-chamber for broader public "perception".

This out-of-context bit is evaporating like flatulance in a crowded room and rightly so.

The average American does not listen to President Obama in the context of "Radical Socialist/Marxist"...

The average American doesn't have a malformed frontotemporal lobe that has been trained to see "Radical apocolyptic socialisms" in every utterance by the President.

The role of "radical socialist" simply lacks any credibility. It is premised on a long ranting of falsehoods and propaganda pieces by Glen Beck and his ilk.

Those that have been trained to suspend rational thought with all things Obama were never going to vote for him anyways. They still think he was born in Kenya.

That leaves the 50% of Americans who are voting for the President, plus the majority of independants that can't stomache the steady stream of BS eminating from his opponents party.

This election was over months ago. From here on out the only question is how low will the GOP descend in thier desperation. Eventually they will have to deal with long-term reprecussions of thier actions. They have already lost Latino's who they used to be able to count on. African Americans...no way...Women?...slipping...swing states? not swinging the right direction for them.

Nope...the GOPs campaign cannot win on money alone, more so when the middle class doesn't have any and thier nominee doesn't care.



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by habitforming


Since when doe the wealthy pay taxes "like everybody else."

Property tax, income tax, sales tax, inheritance tax, death tax and so on.



Originally posted by habitforming
Does Paris Hilton pay the same tax on here inheritance I would if I earned that money through straight work, no investments or windfalls?

Taxes were already paid when the money was earned. And taxes on investments were paid as well.
Since when was it considered that Paris Hilton was a job creator and/or business owner?

Nice try. You fail.


Whether taxes were paid by her grandpa when he earned the money or not does not matter. She is the rich person with all the money. Is she paying taxes on that money or is she an example of how the rich do not pay taxes like the rest of us?

All that crap you listed above...uh yea. So my accountant can hide my money just as well as Bill Gates or Mitt Romney's? I get the same tax havens and tax breaks that they do? You sure about that?



posted on Jul, 16 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Why do people actually believe that Government builds,roads,bridges, and schools etc. last time I looked that was local and state tax revenue paying private business to do a job.


Designed, facilitated, and implemented by whom?
Hint: The people in control of that local and state tax revenue. Starts with a "G."



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