President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

reply to post by stanats

The only thing OP found is a quote that twists the meaning of Obama's speech by taking a tiny part of it out of context. 

Line immediately following OP's out of context quote: 
"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together."

Obama is a collectivist. I got it!

Collectivism is the death of freedom. Individualism is the foundation of western civilization. 

Lets get real here. He's dead wrong because it is the businessman that creates business not the employee. It is the businessman taking the risks and investing capital not the employee. It is the businessman putting his neck on the line each week to make payroll for everyone in his company not the employee. Obama and some of you would know this if you had any experience at all in the business world (as a businessman not an employee). 

Meh..

Originally posted by Spotless
Well i'm not american but i guess his explanation of success in business fits other countries as well.
I know a group of people which doesn't really releate to this Obamas idea. They're called freelancers.
I've been a freelance web designer since i was 17, im 21 now.
Before i started designing for money i've done a lot of projects for free since i knew i needed to reach a certain level of skill to even think about charing people. After a few years i got payed for a certain job even though i didn't ask for a payment. I've been working my ass off with graphics since i was 14 (first time i discovered graphic design and it stuck).
I can't thank anyone else for what i got today but myself. And after spending all that time improving myself to a point where i can truly call myself a high-quality web designer, i disagree with Obama 100%.
Most of freelancers don't get any help in their career. And the only thing government does for me is take a big part of my profits. I'm freakin speechless at Obama...

Thats nice.. but...

How did you design graphics without a computer? How do you get paid without customers? How do you get to your work without driving a car or taking a road? Do you grow your own food? Do you kill your own food? Did you go to school at all in your life? Were you raised by wolves or did you have parents? I could go on and on.

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How did you design graphics without a computer? How do you get paid without customers? How do you get to your work without driving a car or taking a road? Do you grow your own food? Do you kill your own food? Did you go to school at all in your life? Were you raised by wolves or did you have parents? I could go on and on.

You could go on and on....and continue to be wrong. 

What you are describing is free market capitalism. The government helps that by getting the hell out of the way!

Originally posted by MidnightTide
President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That Happen’

The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Everything else he said was right. No man is an island. But I'm going to finish his speech for him: "And when the Government research employees who helped make this happen punched out and went home to their families, we're also reminded of how they are just like everyone here today. Regular people who put their pants on one leg at a time. They're no better or worse than anyone here today. We're all in this together"

He needs to remember that. He also needs a better speech writer.

I'm off to submit my resume'.

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You could go on and on....and continue to be wrong.

Thats fine.

What you are describing is free market capitalism. The government helps that by getting the hell out of the way!

Oh, right, free market capitalism. Totally forgot about that.

Let me say this then. The FDA regulates food, for consumer safety. Public schools for the children. The government had its hand in developing computer tech. I assume the parents went to school, and got educated and then got jobs to raise him/her.

I can probably connect pretty much any success and what not to the infrastructure. One does not quite notice the ground work that has been laid until they look for it.

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Everything else he said was right. No man is an island. But I'm going to finish his speech for him: "And when the Government research employees who helped make this happen punched out and went home to their families, we're also reminded of how they are just like everyone here today. Regular people who put their pants on one leg at a time. They're no better or worse than anyone here today. We're all in this together"

He needs to remember that. He also needs a better speech writer.

I'm off to submit my resume'.

He does need better speech writers!

Here, let me help you out a little with that speech. Remember we're all in it together!

"And when the Government research employees who helped make this happen punches out and goes home to their families, know that you aided them by paying their salaries with your tax dollars that you earned from your own hard initiative. Your hard work enables us to do our work! "

Originally posted by Spotless

Most of freelancers don't get any help in their career. And the only thing government does for me is take a big part of my profits. I'm freakin speechless at Obama...

I'm a freelance writer and I get help all the time.

From clients who pay me.....

my 1st grade teacher.....

All the professionals I've read in my lifetime........

a dictionary........

all the people who have posted writing tips........

The person who reads me and inspires me to be a better writer...................

I could go on and on. And if you don't want the Govt. to take part of your profits, don't file a W-9, buy a fake ID and open a bank account with it, tie your paypal account to that with your fake name and use that same name to get all your work. Here in the U.S you can change your Social Security once in your lifetime. Become invisible. You're on the internet....it can't be THAT hard. But remember.....you need help to get all that stuff I just mentioned.

I don't know you but it sounds like you need to get over yourself.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by ColeYounger

 

Some of our founding fathers were also socialist. They were a diverse group of people that had the ability to debate their diverse viewpoints rather than argue and hold grudges. They were a group of men looking for solutions, not argueing over who said what and why.

Diversity of opinion and the ability to convey that opinion and work together are what created America.

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I disagree with your statement about the founding fathers all getting along so wonderfully and not arguing. There are historically factual stories about them arguing over the shape of the damn tables in the first congressional offices. Politicians are always the same... egotistical, self-important pricks, save for a tiny minority who actually care about the people.

No, my friend...America was built by the rugged individualists. The entreprenuers.

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He's right!

First off, he isn't implying that the Government is responsible for all of our infrastructure. He was using ONE example.

Second, anyone who "creates" something whether it be a product or company, didn't do it alone. They were only able to accomplish what they did because of the discoveries of those before them and those before them and so on going back to the beginning of time. Along with all of the education and collaboration they were fortunate enough to have now.

No one really creates anything on their own. The only thing anyone can do is build on the work of others.

The point is, there are all of these super rich people claiming all of this physical and intellectual property and think it's all rightfully theirs when really, they owe a lot more back than they think they do!

reply to post by TsukiLunar

And thats whats wrong with Obamas "theory".
But ill go along with you. I payed for my computer thus supporting the manufacturing proccess of new computers and contributing to their profits. Same goes with my customers, they pay for a design and thus see an increase in conversions/visitors which gets them back the money they invested. I don't drive, but anyway who do you think pays the road builders ? Its the government and where the government gets the money to pay these road builders ? Tax money that i and everyones pays. Same thing with food, u buy food thus supporting the grower.

You see this is very mutual help. You do not owe anything to these "helpers". Success is a mix betweed hard work and being smart on what you work hard on.
Theres so much wrong with this Obamas theory i can't understand would the president say this.
I mean, everyones has access to road/bridges but not everyone is successful. You get my point ?

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple

Everything else he said was right. No man is an island. But I'm going to finish his speech for him: "And when the Government research employees who helped make this happen punched out and went home to their families, we're also reminded of how they are just like everyone here today. Regular people who put their pants on one leg at a time. They're no better or worse than anyone here today. We're all in this together"

He needs to remember that. He also needs a better speech writer.

I'm off to submit my resume'.

He does need better speech writers!

Here, let me help you out a little with that speech. Remember we're all in it together!

"And when the Government research employees who helped make this happen punches out and goes home to their families, know that you aided them by paying their salaries with your tax dollars that you earned from your own hard initiative. Your hard work enables us to do our work! "

Excellent addition....Thank you.

Originally posted by Spotless
Well i'm not american but i guess his explanation of success in business fits other countries as well.
I know a group of people which doesn't really releate to this Obamas idea. They're called freelancers.
I've been a freelance web designer since i was 17, im 21 now.
Before i started designing for money i've done a lot of projects for free since i knew i needed to reach a certain level of skill to even think about charing people. After a few years i got payed for a certain job even though i didn't ask for a payment. I've been working my ass off with graphics since i was 14 (first time i discovered graphic design and it stuck).
I can't thank anyone else for what i got today but myself. And after spending all that time improving myself to a point where i can truly call myself a high-quality web designer, i disagree with Obama 100%.
Most of freelancers don't get any help in their career. And the only thing government does for me is take a big part of my profits. I'm freakin speechless at Obama...

You are entitled to feel pride in your many accomplishments. But you should acknowledge that very first person who saw enough talent in you to give you a first job (albeit unpaid). Then you should acknowledge the first person who paid for your work. And most of all, you should acknowledge your environment (people, events, things that made you who you are). Oh, and maybe, you should recognize whomever it was that influcenced your decision to make graphic desing a viable alternative to earn a living. In acknowledging others, you become grateful, for the inherent opportunities given to you in life. Like being born in a certain hemisphere, for example. Once you do that, you will realize that you are but a link in a chain - and you will know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you couldn't have made it alone. We do not live in a vacuum.

reply to post by TsukiLunar

Oh, right, free market capitalism. Totally forgot about that. 

Let me say this then. The FDA regulates food, for consumer safety. Public schools for the children. The government had its hand in developing computer tech. I assume the parents went to school, and got educated and then got jobs to raise him/her. 

I can probably connect pretty much any success and what not to the infrastructure. One does not quite notice the ground work that has been laid until they look for it.

There is a place for government but to claim the federal government had a hand in everything including the kitchen sink and sliced bread is ridiculous. 

Obama showed his true colors in that speech this week. He's laying it all on the line and firming up his base by taking credit for the achievements of so many hardworking Americans. He wants people dependent on government and this is simply an attempt to make people believe they owe everything that ever was to the federal government and I'm calling Bull Spit!!

Government is too big and self reliance is the new order of the day. Don't be sucked in to this collectivist garbage! Free will, individualism, hard work, perseverance, dedication, commitment, etc are what makes business and the country work. Government helps by keeping the playing field even and by keeping taxes and regulations to a minimum; they're failing in both areas.

Originally posted by Spotless

I mean, everyones has access to road/bridges but not everyone is successful. You get my point ?

Not to interrupt your conversation, but that actually is a very good point.

You can help people all you want, but it's up to them to take it and make something with it.

reply to post by seabag


Seabag,
the system is broke, you dont have to be a cheerleader.
And it wont be fixed any time soon

You're right Mr. President, you would be absolutely nothing without me. You are in office because of me. I built your organization with trust in you. However you have failed and you have lost all trust from me. Therefore, you will not have my vote ever again.

reply to post by ColeYounger


You've heard stories? Yah, I bet there are many. Healthy debate is good. They eventually got finished, so they must've been better than the current band of ninnies that can't stop argueing.

No mr. obama .. unlike you business owners actually do something called work and EARN everything they get ...
thanks for the laugh mr. obama always interesting to see how a puppet thinks ... though wonder if your masters find your comments as amusing ...

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

Oh, right, free market capitalism. Totally forgot about that. 

Let me say this then. The FDA regulates food, for consumer safety. Public schools for the children. The government had its hand in developing computer tech. I assume the parents went to school, and got educated and then got jobs to raise him/her. 

I can probably connect pretty much any success and what not to the infrastructure. One does not quite notice the ground work that has been laid until they look for it.

There is a place for government but to claim the federal government had a hand in everything including the kitchen sink and sliced bread is ridiculous. 

Obama showed his true colors in that speech this week. He's laying it all on the line and firming up his base by taking credit for the achievements of so many hardworking Americans. He wants people dependent on government and this is simply an attempt to make people believe they owe everything that ever was to the federal government and I'm calling Bull Spit!!

Government is too big and self reliance is the new order of the day. Don't be sucked in to this collectivist garbage! Free will, individualism, hard work, perseverance, dedication, commitment, etc are what makes business and the country work. Government helps by keeping the playing field even and by keeping taxes and regulations to a minimum; they're failing in both areas.

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I guess there's really nothing we can do but disagree then.

No man is an island. If you think you did it all alone, then you are arrogant, possibly to the point of being mentally ill.

More importantly, you are also part of the problem with this world.