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President Obama: ‘If You’ve Got a Business — You Didn’t Build That. Somebody Else Made That

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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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When the country was created? You mean some dirt roads in the 1700's?

Dude, the roads are built by the government. The entire interstate system that any business relies upon was built by the government. The railroads would NEVER have been built without help from the government. Your understanding of basic american history is LAUGHABLE, which is why you cant post a SINGLE source to support your claims.


The interstate highway system began in 1956 under Eisenhower.

Are you saying no businesses or roads existed before the government came along and showed us the way in 56'?


That’s delusional. The original role of the federal government was not to build roads, help start businesses, pick winners and losers, redistribute wealth, provide healthcare, wipe your butt, or hold your hand throughout your entire life to make sure you never fail at anything.

You and Obama need a history lesson!



Having experienced mistreatment at the hands of the British government, writers of the United States Constitution were careful to limit the powers of government and protect the rights of individuals. The primary purpose of federal government was to:

1. Defend the shores

2. Establish a system of currency

3. Deliver the mail

4. Protect individual rights

Consider Amendment X, the last in the Bill of Rights:

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Unfortunately, your words on falling on deaf ears. Most of these folks lack the vision and critical thinking necessary to even consider a world without money. I mean seriously, look at what they're arguing about now. Its hard to read through any of these threads without being overwhelmed by a sense of hopelessness.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Obama and the liberals truly believe this nonsense.

Roads didn't help people get rich. If this was the case everyone would be rich.

A teacher someone met along the way didn't help someone get rich, or everyone who learned under that teacher would be rich.

Obama is drawing a cause to where there's just correlation. He's trying to say Big Government is the cause of people's success. This goes against everything we believe as a nation. The individual is the cause of their success and the Government is in place to protect their God Given Liberty so they can Pursue Happiness.

In statistics you learn about the difference between cause and correlation.

For instance most NFL teams who win games run the ball more. So the question becomes does running the ball more cause NFL teams to win games? When you look into this, you find winning teams run the ball more because they're trying to run out the clock in the 4th quarter. So there's correlation between running the ball more and winning games but this correlation is not the cause of teams winning games.

What Obama is saying is because Zuckerberg drove on roads built by Governments, it's somehow a cause of Facebook's success.

Obama said in a 2001 interview that the Constitution is fundamentally flawed because it restrains Govt. and doesn't talk about the redistribution of wealth.

He also said he wants to change and transform America and bring Americans "Collective Salvation."

Americans better wake up. Obama wants to change the Country from Individualism to Collectivism.

Individualism works because individuals pursue their own self interest and when many of them become successful they give huge sums of money to the charities and non profits liberals say they love.

Collectivism doesn't work because there's usually a small group in the collective that wants to guide and shape the collective according to their conscious. This is Obama.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by Bone75

Originally posted by jude11

He does more than wash dishes.

He anticipates the needs of the bakers and knows what we need before we do sometimes.

If I finish cinnabuns and go for a smoke I come back and the mixer and hooks are cleaned, the table is washed and ready for biscuits. If I mix a batch of bread and need to wait on a customer, I come back and he's weighing the loaves for the pans.

So as a dishwasher, he's ok but as a right hand...invaluable.

And that's how we all keep our livelihoods.

Peace


So after writing this, do you still stand by your original statement?


Well I could use some help with my bakery but I don't see any politicians coming in to wash pots and pans for me.

Nope...I DO THAT.



Absolutely!

I washed those dishes before I could hire someone to wash them. I still wash them because my helper doesn't work the 12-14 hrs per day that my wife and I do. I wash those dishes on his days off as well. We have a lot of dishes.


Peace



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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You may think I am laughable, but don't fret, I could care less about your opinion of me.....same goes for the rest of your kind.


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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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"A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving..."

- Albert Einstein (from the essay The World as I See It)



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by poet1b
This thread belongs in the hoax bin. Obama is misquoted. Has anybody bothered to listen to the 40 minute speech? Putting these lies on ATS makes the site look bad.


Exactly. Obama has the guts to admit that socialist ideals have always been a part of our government, and always will be. Would Romney do that? NEVER!

In a pure capitalist state anarchy and revolution almost always happen. Those that have are in a position to make sure that those have not, never have anything. The only outcome can be an eventual bloody revolution.

Carlin said it, socialism got us out of the depression, yet right wingers still refuse to admit that a little bit of socialism can go a long way.

If you have ever taken any money from the goverment in any way shape or form, go give that back and tell them you support a fully capitalist state and don't want their damn money.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Roads didn't help people get rich. If this was the case everyone would be rich.


Kinda weird you would say that since we shuffle things back and forth all the time in an effort to be successful. Roads improve productivity. This is a basic concept that has been understood for thousands of years. I'd like to see you start a successful country with out roads.




A teacher someone met along the way didn't help someone get rich, or everyone who learned under that teacher would be rich.


For that matter, I would like to see you start a successful country without teachers.




What Obama is saying is because Zuckerberg drove on roads built by Governments, it's somehow a cause of Facebook's success.


No, you didn't think this through. Without a communications network we wouldn't have the internet. Without the internet there is no facebook.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by deometer
"A hundred times every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving..."

- Albert Einstein (from the essay The World as I See It)


Einstein for the win.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by stanguilles7
 



When the country was created? You mean some dirt roads in the 1700's?

Dude, the roads are built by the government. The entire interstate system that any business relies upon was built by the government. The railroads would NEVER have been built without help from the government. Your understanding of basic american history is LAUGHABLE, which is why you cant post a SINGLE source to support your claims.


The interstate highway system began in 1956 under Eisenhower.

Are you saying no businesses or roads existed before the government came along and showed us the way in 56'?


That’s delusional. The original role of the federal government was not to build roads, help start businesses, pick winners and losers, redistribute wealth, provide healthcare, wipe your butt, or hold your hand throughout your entire life to make sure you never fail at anything.


Ah, yes, commence with the straw men. I made no comment on the 'role' of the federal government, or the redistribution of funds.I merely pointed out that the claim that 'private companies' built the roads in the US is wrong. No amount of claiming I'm an Obama supporter will make that a fact.

The infrastructure which you, I, and many businesses are able to use at a profit are built and maintained by the GOVERNMENT' not private companies. To claim otherwise is to make yourself look incredibly foolish. Which is why you cant post a single source to prove your claims, and instead rely upon straw men and personal attacks.


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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by stanguilles7
 


You may think I am laughable, but don't fret, I could care less about your opinion of me.....same goes for the rest of your kind.


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Be that as it may, you claim that all the roads in the USA are built by private companies is not true.

Alas, you not only dont seem to care about my opinion, you dont care about being factual.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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If you have ever taken any money from the goverment in any way shape or form, go give that back and tell them you support a fully capitalist state and don't want their damn money.


Dont forget to enroll your kids in private schools as well!



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
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If you have ever taken any money from the goverment in any way shape or form, go give that back and tell them you support a fully capitalist state and don't want their damn money.


Dont forget to enroll your kids in private schools as well!


Private schools supported with taxpayer money, of course!



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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If the private sector had built our roads there would be a toll booth on every entrance to every road in America. Thank God the government whether federal or local takes care of the roads!



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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His obersvation is pretty much spot on. Hard work and sweat can get you so far, but it is often the kindess and assistance or others that can help carry you to lofty positions.

Don't make snap judgements on a quote taken from at a glance.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:25 PM
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Saints, Pats, Pack and Colts only run about 15 times a game.
Your analogy is a tad outdated. A 4000 yd season is becoming commonplace in the NFL
Just wanted to point that out


 
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Obozo couldn’t run a lemonade stand without government assistance. Maybe that is why he failed as a community organizer, congressman, and president.

What this dolt never realized is that people pursue what they desire. Some people work for it. Some people beg for it. Others just wait for it to happen without justifiable reason except they believe it is owed to them. When a person works for what they desire, they are trading part of their life for a want or a need. They could work for food, shelter, or clothing. Mostly, they work for dollars which allows them to choose what to trade their hours of life for. Those who expect it to be handed to them, are asking others to give them some of their life hours for nothing in exchange.

What we earn, make, or even inherit, is part of someone’s life. That life was traded for something that was desired. If passing it to one’s family is one of the goals, then so be it. Life was traded for something of value and one’s life worked should be traded as they see fit.

Those (employees) who help others achieve their goals (business and business owners) are rewarded for their hours of life by what is call pay. They did not do it for free. They gave hours of their life and expect those they work for to pay them with something earned by the hours of their life. The hours of life of the employer are just as valuable as the life of the employee. Corporations are made up of investors who have invested part of their life hours (wages) into the corporation. There is a hoped for return of pay but it is not guaranteed. Those who work or invest in the corporation or business, are risking life hours for a return to achieve better than what they have or for the purpose of passing it to their children. They risk part of their life hours for the life hours of many others who desire return for their life hours.

No one was forced (before ObamaCare) to purchase any product unless they engaged in an activity such as driving/insurance/etc. No one was forced to purchase anything just because they were breathing. If they didn’t want to spend life hours to purchase something they didn’t like, they were not required to give up those life hours. Those who provide a product (business), do so with the hope that others want that product and are willing to give up live hours in exchange for it. That is called risk. Some people are willing to risk life hours (even a lifetime’s worth) to offer a product many others are willing to trade life hours for. If successful, then one’s life hours prove of more value by multiplying the value of those hours. Those who expect things for free, are asking others to give up life for them. That is a socialist system. I take your life hours but you cannot have mine.
Obama is a socialist.

Obama wants our life hours to give to others just to give him more powers over the life hours of others. He earned and learned nothing by his life hours. It was given to him by others. That is why he cannot relate.



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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by MidnightTide
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You may think I am laughable, but don't fret, I could care less about your opinion of me.....same goes for the rest of your kind.


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Be that as it may, you claim that all the roads in the USA are built by private companies is not true.

Alas, you dont seem capable of factual debate.



Private turnpikes were business corporations that built and maintained a road for the right to collect fees from travelers.2 Accounts of the nineteenth-century transportation revolution often treat turnpikes as merely a prelude to more important improvements such as canals and railroads. Turnpikes, however, left important social and political imprints on the communities that debated and supported them. Although turnpikes rarely paid dividends or other forms of direct profit, they nevertheless attracted enough capital to expand both the coverage and quality of the U. S. road system. Turnpikes demonstrated how nineteenth-century Americans integrated elements of the modern corporation – with its emphasis on profit-taking residual claimants – with non-pecuniary motivations such as use and esteem.

Private road building came and went in waves throughout the nineteenth century and across the country, with between 2,500 and 3,200 companies successfully financing, building, and operating their toll road.


or Americans looking for better connections to markets, the poor state of the road system was a major problem. In 1790, a viable steamboat had not yet been built, canal construction was hard to finance and limited in scope, and the first American railroad would not be completed for another forty years. Better transportation meant, above all, better highways. State and local governments, however, had small bureaucracies and limited budgets which prevented a substantial public sector response. Turnpikes, in essence, were organizational innovations borne out of necessity – "the states admitted that they were unequal to the task and enlisted the aid of private enterprise"



eh.net...



As for the railroads, they were built by private business. Government may have helped subsidized some, but they never owned them.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide




As for the railroads, they were built by private business. Government may have helped subsidized some, but they never owned them.


Exactly. They could have never been built without the government. Which is the only point I ever made. You keep trying to pretend government has had no hand in it, but then cite evidence to show just that.

Also, citing some roads built in the 1800ès, that no longer exist, does not prove your point. The roads you use today are built and maintained by the government. And the government, despite what you have been brainwashed into believing by transnational corporations who want to privatize your nations wealth, is nothing more than the collective efforts of the citizenry. YOU are the government. I am the government. Stop demonizing a concept that is essential for the functioning of ANY society. You might as well complain about oxygen.

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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Many of you who think like this are fools. The movement West in the 19th century was made possible by the rail industry, which was built entirely by American entrepreneurs who happened to make huge amounts of money in the process of building and running the railroads. The only role the US government had was to allow the companies the right-of-way they required. Other examples can be found in virtually any industry.

In the last decades the US government did have a role in proving the concept of an internet, but if you look objectively by any standard you like the servers, the fiber optical lines, and everything else that allows the Internet to function today are there because private industry - individual industries and people working outside of the government - built it and run it. It was, and is, successful completely because of the fact that the US government plays little role in the Internet.

Take my word for it, if you allow the US government any real role in the Internet - regulations, taxes, and similar and there will be a complete breakdown of the economy that is represented by the Internet.

Even the US government goes to private industry for everything it uses. Notice, the US Air Force does not build its own planes or anything else. They contract it out to private businesses. What Obama is doing is a classic disinformation tactic from the last century. Those who use this kind of half-truth tactic most often are communists.



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