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Medicare finds penis pump fraud is big business - Exploitation Of The Entitlement System is Way Too

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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:46 AM
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Medicare payments for penis pumps have skyrocketed by 500% over the last decade, going from $7.2 million in 2000 to over $36 million in 2011, and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services has been busy looking into allegations of fraud.

Although erectile dysfunction is a common problem in older men, Medicare stopped paying for Viagra and similar drugs in 2007 because they were so widely used that they came to be seen as “lifestyle” drugs rather than medically necessary. Around the same time, Medicare claims for the pumps, which are still covered, began rising steadily, and with them the potential for fraud.

Over the past four years, investigators have found more than $8 million in questionable payments.

www.rawstory.com...enis-pump-fraud-is-big-business/

Will people come and say that having access to a penis pump is a human right?
I mean apparently everything these days is a human right

For those that don't understand a Human Right is something that apparently you have a right to, and if you have a right to it then govt. must give it to you
But Govt. only gets money by printing it causing inflation or directly via taxpayers.

That's what a human right means

The entitlement system is so easy to exploit and not only is it easy to scam it also drives prices up while lowering quality of service/goods.

In other news


Federal authorities charged 107 doctors, nurses and social workers in seven cities with Medicare fraud Wednesday in a nationwide crackdown on unrelated scams that allegedly billed the taxpayer-funded program of $452 million – the highest dollar amount in a single Medicare bust in U.S. history.

authorities have targeted fraud that's believed to cost the government between $60 billion and $90 billion each year.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud
Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud Fraud

So much money and either too much red tape or corruption to stop it before it starts where it ends up being scammed for in the hundreds of billions of dollars and Democrats want to continue this?

I guess i'm just a little confused, I can't understand the thought process in favoring the easiest route for people to scam a system.




posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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Just ask a banker....



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:05 PM
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Medicare payments for penis pumps have skyrocketed by 500% over the last decade, going from $7.2 million in 2000 to over $36 million in 2011, and the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services has been busy looking into allegations of fraud.






I think the real tragedy demonstrated here is having a small penis and a lack of common sense...


And it's safe to say the wives and girlfriends of these 'men' are the true victims...



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Someone has to give me a little help here. I'm looking and looking and I just can't find where it says 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Good Sex'.


I have a problem right from the word go here. Someone else's limp noodle is NOT my problem nor is their teeny weeny. Unless this is a true medical problem (and I suppose there are some we don't have to imagine too much for) then why is $1 of public funds going to any of it, period?? If someone wants something above and beyond the medically necessary, save up or get a better job. Whatever the need may be, but pay for it. It's no wonder our system is imploding.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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Every program has abuse.

That does not mean that the majority of people should lose access to social programs.

In the old days, you would remove the rotten apple as to not spoil all of them.

In the new retarded world (used literally and accurately) governance throws out the barrel with all of the apples.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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i so agree with that statement !!



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by zroth
Every program has abuse.

That's like saying every country is corrupt, let's be ok with mass corruption within govt.

Originally posted by zroth
That does not mean that the majority of people should lose access to social programs.

See this is exactly what I meant in another thread where I said that liberals think "good intentions are important even if the road is paved with blood"

hundreds of billions of dollars with only one social program is insufficent as proof that it doesn't work?
Did you know that poor people also pay taxes?
Did you know that poor people are also affected by inflation?



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Betting the pumps are traded for Viagra. The circle of life.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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I remember debating with a liberal about regulation
I said you know what happens, lobbyists pay politicians to vote a certain way and then many times execs from the same companies where these lobbyists represent get appointed to the throne of these new regulatory bodies.
Then liberals will go occupy wallstreet in protest against these same corporations and days later scream for more regulation.

What did he respond?

He said that's fine, it will still help the people


Some people have NO PROBLEM with the road of good intentions being paved with blood.

It makes absolutely no sense



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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so we should let gramma go without surgery and die a long horrible death or bankrupt her family because 100 greedy idiots abused the system ?

um

no



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so we should let gramma go without surgery and die a long horrible death or bankrupt her family because 100 greedy idiots abused the system ?


If the system that you promote wasn't so corrupt maybe people would have more money of more currency value and could not only afford but prevent the need such surgeries.

Also you are making poor people more poor



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by zroth
Every program has abuse.

That's like saying every country is corrupt, let's be ok with mass corruption within govt.

Originally posted by zroth
That does not mean that the majority of people should lose access to social programs.

See this is exactly what I meant in another thread where I said that liberals think "good intentions are important even if the road is paved with blood"

hundreds of billions of dollars with only one social program is insufficent as proof that it doesn't work?
Did you know that poor people also pay taxes?
Did you know that poor people are also affected by inflation?


Your first statement has no logical basis. How is a program the same as a country?

The second piece seems like you are trying to convince yourself of your opinion. I don't appreciate you using my well thought out response as a platform to attach your narrow-minded, money first belief system and rhetoric.

Answers:

Your first question is really a statement, so I cannot answer it.
Yes, people pay taxes. "Poor" is a word that can be pivoted on from many angles.
Inflation, or more appropriately stated "devaluation", is not caused by younger generations caring for their elders. It is caused by over-circulation in a supply and demand model. This is why people can their fruits, because they cannot consume them all when they are ripe.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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The entitlement system is so easy to exploit and not only is it easy to scam it also drives prices up while lowering quality of service/goods.


This is due to the low number of fraud investigators. Unfortunately, many congress have fought any attempt to increase the efficiency of the program. You have people in congress that want Medicare to fail through corruption and those that either profit from the abuse or receive money from those that do abuse the system.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 01:39 PM
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And I just got turned down assistance for life saving surgery....but as long as older men can still get down with their bad self, it's all worth the lifetime of crippling debt I face. I'm not even asking for them to pick up my tab...just a little help. This story breaks my heart....



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
so we should let gramma go without surgery and die a long horrible death or bankrupt her family because 100 greedy idiots abused the system ?


If the system that you promote wasn't so corrupt maybe people would have more money of more currency value and could not only afford but prevent the need such surgeries.

Also you are making poor people more poor


Maybe if the government was printing and issuing it's own money, people would have enough funds to buy their own penis pumps.
End the federal issuance of penis pump notes.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 02:14 PM
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There is nothing inherently wrong with the government offering insurance options for people. In fact, that would be the wisest way to get medical insurance considering that you can use that buying power to lower costs and premiums.

The problem lies within how the government is allowed to manage and fund the program. It should not be paid for by taxpayer funds, it should be just as any other insurance program and paid into by the policy holder.

Also, I have no problem paying a little extra to make sure that older folks and people in need are able to go see a doctor. None of us should have a problem with that. What we should have a problem with is the crony capitalism that seethes through the halls of congress and the boardrooms of big business. The politicians are creating programs to benefit the corporate campaign donor and not their constituents.

So in the end, a penis pump is not the issue...and people on medicare is not the issue. It's the few bad apples that take advantage of certain situations to defraud the system that ruins it for the millions of people that use the program wisely.


As a side note, I missed the part where someone said the pumps were a human right. Did you add that to compound the "entitlement system" argument? Medicare and Medicaid is not an entitlement program. It's a healthcare program to help out the elderly and those in need. By saying things like "you think it's a human right" or calling it an "entitlement system" you belittle those that have paid into the system and deserve the benefit they receive or belittle people that may be less fortunate than others.

It is propaganda-style mantra like this that keeps us from solving the problems we have in America. It only continues to separate us into different groups of people that work against each other when we take our ideas to the government level to be implemented.

In other words, we need to find a different way to talk about the issue so we can actually solve the problem. Bringing people together will create solutions, tearing them down only drags the problem along.

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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:05 PM
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Those are certainly not a human right, and I hope they get to the bottom of this fraud.


The entitlement system is so easy to exploit and not only is it easy to scam it also drives prices up while lowering quality of service/goods


Medicare needs alot of fixing, but to claim it is "failure" is outside of reality considering it is still very popular and millions of seniors, elderly, depend on it.

Maybe you could explain to us what the alternative might be? Privatization? You'd have to ask yourself, if we were to remove medicare and turn these elderly folks over to private healthcare corporation, who's going to cover them? The elderly are undesirable to the private healthcare market, there are a number of reasons why insurance companies would be reluctant to cover them. Not to mention, the cost for those elderly that do somehow manage to get covered. I don't know about you, but from what I understand from my insurance plan, costs go up with age, on my insurance plan, after 69 years you can no longer be covered on all plans.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:23 PM
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All I can say is, I think there's more than one kind of fraud going on here.


People do abuse the system. Badly. And that needs to be taken care of. It's not an argument for dissolving a system that does help people. And it's unfair to the people who genuinely need and deserve it.

It's more of an argument to make the system work better, and work harder to detect fraud earlier.

Kinda the same argument gun rights activists have for keeping guns.

Are guns a human right? If so, what is really the difference between a firearm and a penis pump?



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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My guess is that the person on Medicare is not getting the penis pump.

My guess it that scam artists have got Medicare numbers and are billing Medicare...

My other guess is that Obamacare is going to be a bigger scam business when these same crooks start scamming Obamacare.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by HauntWok
Kinda the same argument gun rights activists have for keeping guns.

Are guns a human right? If so, what is really the difference between a firearm and a penis pump?

You must be new to current events
Govt. doesn't buy guns for civilians

tx



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