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Eternal Torment In Hell

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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by autowrench

I once had a waking dream, or perhaps a vision of future events. I saw a Desert scene in the Middle East I believe, and there were many oil wells pumping, and lots of activity. I heard a giant Earthquake, and then saw the whole oil field collapse into a giant hole, and sparks and fire came up from the hole as the oil burned.
I have often wondered why this was shown me.


I have no doubt that you witnessed one aspect of the fall of the "whore of Babylon".

Revelation 18:8-9

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Yep, every material thing that anyone ever lusted after will be burned up and we'll all get to watch it happen.




posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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This past Christmas, I had a powerful spiritual experience, and at one point I heard a vast multitude, as if innumerable higher beings were speaking, say "Babylon is fallen!" which came like a cheer, but the struggle hadn't quite ended, and then it did, and I heard it again, except this time like a collective groan "Babylon is fallen" (ohhh no). I've thus concluded that Babylon represented an evil empire BOTH here and somewhere else "up there", and when we look at powers and principalities here, I'm pretty sure they terminate at the Vatican, who from what I can tell, used to? play both sides of the fence, so lucky for them if one side falls, that they still have the other left to continue to prop them up, although I'm not sure how well that goes over with Jesus Christ and the first father of creation..

I also heard in a faint whisper "I'm proud of you son" which made me cry, because what I went through in the process was so difficult and at one point I was sure that I was totally screwed.

Therefore, now I'm all but certain that it's ok to turn to the very last page of the Bible and read what's there, and rejoice!

Best Regards,

NAM

P.S. Here is the symbol I've taken for the localized fall of Babylon here on earth, as something that I call a "double bind" which is a two way street!


"The Broken Sphere", Vatican Museum


Oh and the other thing I've learned is to never underestimate God's sense of HUMOR, which is immaculate!


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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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I've thus concluded that Babylon represented an evil empire BOTH here and somewhere else "up there"


I've concluded that Babylon represents everything evil on earth, period.

I think we we could easily draw the conclusion that Babylon represents earthly pagan religion, material lusts, lusts of the flesh and the entire earth as a whole.

I think the earth and everything in it will burn and I think we'll all get to watch it happen from "afar off" place as mentioned several times in the Bible.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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I disagree. Babylon is/was an evil empire, very satanic, involved in the magic arts and blood sacrifice etc ie: satan wirshipping etc.

Also, God is not a destroyer, and this earth and the people of earth, we are God's future home whereby he will come to live with us and we will be his people (many of us anyway) and he will be our God.

The power and the work of the cross will not be undone and this is not a throw away world.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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The God of The Bible also required blood sacrifice (animals and Jesus), so why do you associate blood sacrifice with Satan?

God also taught ritual magic such as sprinkling blood on people to get rid of leprosy... this is all "GOD'S" word in The Bible so why call it Satanic?


By the way, God is a destroyer if he created Satan and if it truly is Satan's fault for all the destruction and evil...

If you create something that destroys, then you are still a destroyer, even if there is "free-will" that is just an excuse. God is still a destroyer because he allowed free-will knowing what the outcome would be (destruction).

Free-will, Satan, Sin, Hell-fire, Evil is all the God of bible fault if it really is true...
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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God also taught ritual magic such as sprinkling blood on people to get rid of leprosy... this is all "GOD'S" word in The Bible so why call it Satanic?


Was it really Father saying this, or others saying Father said it?



If you create something that destroys, then you are still a destroyer, even if there is "free-will" that is just an excuse. God is still a destroyer because he allowed free-will knowing what the outcome would be (destruction).


If my child kills a bus load of kids, am I a destroyer?
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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People wrote it down saying that they communicated with The Father or that they were inspired. The Bible cannot be trusted as 100% true.

If your children kill, then you are not a destroyer, but if you give them free-will knowing that this will lead to them destroying / killing, then yes, you did it.

Just like if a scientist create a machine and give it a possibility to do destruction, they are still responsible.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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Originally posted by arpgme
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People wrote it down saying that they communicated with The Father or that they were inspired. The Bible cannot be trusted as 100% true.


This is true. I really don't like when others try to use the bible and speak on his behalf.



If your children kill, then you are not a destroyer, but if you give them free-will knowing that this will lead to them destroying / killing, then yes, you did it.


I see how you come to this conclusion. If it is an option, the creator programmed that as an option. But, am I responsible if I place a sucker in front of my child, and tell them not to eat it?
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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I wish this whole thread could be "deep sixed" because the thread title is just disgusting and ahborant.




posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I wish this whole thread could be "deep sixed" because the thread title is just disgusting and ahborant.



I don't believe in eternal torment or Hell (as usually understood) but it needs to be discussed.
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If you don't like it, bail.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by jhill76
I see how you come to this conclusion. If it is an option, the creator programmed that as an option. But, am I responsible if I place a sucker in front of my child, and tell them not to eat it?
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But why would you even place it there if you love them and you know it's bad for them and you don't want them to eat it? Even if they got on on their own, when they eat it and suffer consequences (cavities, stomach pain, diabetes or whatever), why would make the pain even worse when they already suffered?

Even if hell is not eternal suffering in fire and souls are destroyed instead, why not be patient and understand that there is always a chance that they may learn? Why not show them your eternal love to influence them?

What if people are reaching for the light and darkness pulls it away, and the darkness get them? They have to be destroyed because they weren't strong enough and got overtaken?


People will be destroyed for weakness and heartbreak?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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What if people are reaching for the light and darkness pulls it away, and the darkness get them? They have to be destroyed because they weren't strong enough and got overtaken?


Very interesting question! Father doesn't destroy them. They sit and learn of what they have done. When they "understand" then Father makes a decision based on that understanding. Many will automatically tell you they are going to hell, because they have limited knowledge on all that goes on behind the scenes.

Even Satan has to learn, thus why he is not destroyed.
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posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:40 PM
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I have no doubt that you witnessed one aspect of the fall of the "whore of Babylon".

Revelation 18:8-9

8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.


I had that thought too, but when compared to the Bible quote, it doesn't quite fit. The Muslim World of Billionaire Oil Sultans is most decidedly Male. Woman has no place in this world. But, Ancient Babylon was right here, where we are talking about. I just never understood where the concept of a Woman leading the forces of Darkness came from. These Rich Fat Cats that run the Financial world are mostly men. So, if the application of the word "whore" is all woman related, and it is, how does this fit with the story?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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I disagree. Babylon is/was an evil empire, very satanic, involved in the magic arts and blood sacrifice etc ie: satan wirshipping etc.

Come on, you know better.

Ancient Babylon - Where is it?
Ancient Babylon was located in Mesopotamia between the Euphrates and Tigris Rivers. Today, the remains of the city are spread out over a cluster of mounds located on the Euphrates about 60 miles southwest of Baghdad, Iraq. The river divided the city in two, with the old city to the east and a smaller new city to the west. The river then fed main canals that watered each half. During the rein of Sennacherib, the city was destroyed by the Assyrians. Once the city was rebuilt, the name was changed to Babylonia. Later, the city became the internment site for the Hebrew captives who were marched into exile by King Nebuchadnezzar II in the sixth century, BCE.

The ground is very fertile and produces wild barley, chickpea, and sesame. The marshlands produce an edible root that is equal in nutrition to barley. The land is also rich with dates, apples, and other fruit as well as fish and birds.

The name Babylon is somewhat of a mystery. The Hebrews of the Bible traced its origins to a word in their own language that means “confusion,” deriving the name from “The Tower of Babel,” which was also located there. In the biblical story, God placed confusion of speech upon the builders so they could no longer communicate and complete their work. In the Semitic language, which the Babylonians spoke, the name of the city may have meant “Gate of God” or “Gate of the Gods.”

Ancient Babylon - Who Did They Worship?
There a number of gods in which the ancient Babylonians worshipped:

An or Anu - the god of Heaven
Enlil - The god of the air and storms. He normally was portrayed in human form, but also appears as a snake to the human eye
Enki - The god of water and the fertile earth
Ki - The mother-goddess representing the earth
Ashur - Main god of Assyria (sky god)
Ninlil or Nillina - The goddess of air (possibly the south wind) and wife of Enlil
Inanna - The goddess of love and war
Ea - The god of Wisdom
Marduk - Originally Ea’s son and god of light. He was the main god of Babylon and the sender of the Babylonian king
Nanna - The god of the moon
Utu or Shamash - The god of the sun, as well as god of justice
Ninurta - a solar deity

Source
I didn't see any Satan within their Gods and Goddesses, no mention of Lucifer either. Here, educate yourself.

Babylon

Babylonia, A history of ancient Babylonia



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Women do lead the forces of Darkness, Darkness is seen as feminine by the Ancient Societies such as The Ancient Chinese and their understanding of The Yin-Yang.

The Light is Masculine and seen as Order, Structure, Logic, and Giving;
while The Darkness is seen as Feminine and seen as Free, Creative, and Receptive.

The Masculine Energy of Light and Order is ruling the Planet, Hence The "illuminati" which means "The enLIGHTENED onces" or how they refer to themselves as a secret "ORDER", and how they "CONTROL" (GIVE ORDER TO) the planet, and believe that a certain amount of people have to die for "balance" (logic).

These type of groups worship The Sun. Even Jesus is seen as son of God with rays of thorns and bringing light to darkness, with 12 disciples (12 astrological ages). Let us not forget Horus, Ra, and all other Gods associated with Masculine - Order - Light - Structure...

Feminine Energy is Creative and Free which we definitely do not have right now.



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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If you create something that destroys, then you are still a destroyer, even if there is "free-will" that is just an excuse. God is still a destroyer because he allowed free-will knowing what the outcome would be (destruction).

Post reply by jhill76:

If my child kills a bus load of kids, am I a destroyer?

By that logic, yes. But you do not have to follow that logic. You raise a child, educate them, prepare them for the World, and set them off.
You are there for them anytime they need you. How could this be hung on you?



posted on Jul, 19 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Cities and nations are generally given a female persona because of the nation's relationship to God, when God's a male persona. Remember, God's bride was Israel, and Christ's all Christians. It's sort of like how guys insist their cars are girls.



posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by swoopaloop
so I have to believe in him to have eternal life?

So he would turn his back on those that don't believe in him.

This can't be true.

The bible tried to explain eternal life. It failed.


So God failed to meet your expectations? Get a grip - is He going to let everyone into His kingdom? Just what else is He to do with those who do not care for Him? It must be true, and would you not do the same if you had a kingdom to keep and protect? The Bible explains eternal life as well as it can be explained to us mortals. Take it or leave it, and that's easy to understand too. Eternal life in a perfect world? Yeah, I'll take that...



posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Whore in that context means someone who will do anything for money. The fat cats are whores for that reason, they will do anything, including starting a fake war, to make money off of it.
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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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lmao God didn't fail to meet my expectations. I'm agnostic. Any expectation I have of god is like an Ant having some sort of expectation of the internet.
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