posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 04:47 PM
Originally posted by isyeye
reply to post by rwfresh
First, I totally agree with you about illegal drugs vs. legal drugs. Most people believe as they have been led to.
I'll have to slightly disagree about drugs not being a lowered state of consciousness though. Yes, they can alter reality, but the reality
experienced is not one of truth. A person taking a hallucinagenic drug can see many things about the world around him, but it's not
perception...it's a false vision of reality. Drugs don't give a window into the universe, they change the mind into believing what it experienced
is real, when it's not. That's part of the trap of drugs. They give the idea of greater meaning and perception, but offer no truth.
I will agree that everything around us alters our consciousness though. Everything we eat, feel, and experience has an effect on our mind and how we
percieve things, but drugs only cloud the reality of perception.
edit on 13-7-2012 by isyeye because: (no reason given)
Perception is not reality. Nor does perception allow one to experience Truth. Perception is an illusory by-product of Truth. Having the experience of
altering one's perception reveals the problem with relying on perception as a tool of discerning, identifying what is true. I am not suggesting drugs
are required for this insight. But psychedelics like '___' have historically resulted in this kind of understanding for many. The experiences are not
real. What is true is there is no real "state" that can be perceived by anything that drugs can alter.
I agree that there is a risk of believing there is Truth in altered states. But those who fall into this trap are already deluded into believing
perception is reality to begin with. Their zero state becomes "untrue" and their drug induced altered states become "true". In Reality neither
state, identified through perception is real.
The exact same pitfall is widely documented in the context of meditation. People meditate, have otherworldly experiences and believe them to be
"more" True. Experiencing GAIA, meeting Gods and Avatars, traveling to different dimensions or planets etc. Buddha himself, having experienced
"Brahma", declared it illusory.
Perception is not Reality. It is not consciousness. It is not Truth. If you alter your state you can see that perception is fluid and effected by
Reality. Or you can believe what you perceive through sight, sound, smell, thought is "Real".
Again i am not suggesting anyone take drugs. I am suggesting 99.9% of people are already in a constant state of delusion no closer or further from
Truth than they would be if they were on '___' or any other psychedelic. I understand this is difficult and even scary for many people to except and
it is probably safer for everyone if they find a comfortable state/perception that they agree with to go through life.