Mitt Romney is DANGEROUS whether he becomes POTUS or not.

I appreciate your concern that he is not a good choice for a number of reasons, definitely trust your gut there. Just one note from me on Religion:

In recent GOP debates, he was one of only two candidates (guess who the other was) which declared that their faith would have no place - and would play no role in their Presidency. That is about the only stance he has ever taken which I agreed with.

There's so much ammo available in criticizing Romney that we shouldn't have to go there.

But if you have evidence that his Religion is driving his actions, by all means present it.

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Originally posted by michaelbrux
A man's religion is irrelevant in that job.

The Office of President is unlikely to ever encounter a problem where his religious affiliation would play a role in the appropriate solution.

No religiously inspired notion he has is likely to impact the citizens of the US.

the job is mechanical...religion or philosophy plays as much a role in doing the job as it plays on your method of pushing a button on the keyboard in front of you.

LL :shk:

does prohibition ring a bell?
you do know that much of anti-drug sentiment is actually religious in origin
and ancient to boot?
the greek word used in the bible for sorcerer is [PHARMAKIA]

are you aware that ron paul has MAJOR backing by dominionists?
and that their goal is to impose a theocracy through stealth?

that said "mitts" family history is pretty nasty
and he is as phony as a 3$ bill
he is also very probably a danite
and-lo-did-i-spy-danites-and-willard

It is not the purpose of this post to critique the religion as a whole but some material should be noted to put things in context.
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The Danites were formed in 1838 as a paramilitary, underground organization to fight the "enemies" of the church. Their activities were sanctioned by church leaders. They were also known as the "Daughters of Zion" and "Avenging Angels". For a note of historical importance it should be noted that Sherlock Holmes inventor Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote a story in which the Danites featured entitled "A Study in Scarlet".
David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses to the Book of Mormon tells of the founding of this group and his persecution for trying to tell the leaders of the church of their folly in going ahead with this scheme. He eventually left the church and you can read about that here.1857massacre.com...
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The sect was sanctioned to commit any treacherous act in defense of the Church including violence, lying and theft. The violence would also include murder as history would show.
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Eventually the Church would split into two distinct groups. One of which eventually would find their way to Utah under Brigham Young. There was a lot of friction between the Mormons and state and federal authorities as well as persecution on some level from the people as well.
In 1857 we had the infamous Mountain Meadows massacre, (which occurred on September 11 FYI) largely carried out by the still extant Danites. Some question whether Church leadership and specifically Brigham Young had a direct hand in what happened. It seems clear to me that Young was intimately involved in the massacre.
There was a period of intense pressure being placed upon the Church by federal authorities especially in regards to the polygamous practices of the sect and to the virtual fiefdom ruled by Young in Utah. It is at this point that we see the emigration of some to Mexico including the grandfather of Willard Mitt Romney.
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One of the first inclinations of the Mormons to move into the financial realm was with the Kirtland Safety Society Anti-banking Society in Ohio. Joseph Smith and Sidney Rigdon sought to get a charter for the bank but were turned down. This was an "anti-bank" that ran as a bank issuing it's own currency, even though it had no legal sanction to function as a bank.

This 3 dollar bill is believed by many to be the origin of the term; "Phony as a three dollar bill". The "anti-bank" issued currency in exchange for gold and silver. It folded and a large group of suckers were left holding the bag. This also was a blow to the church as most of the victims of the scam were Church members and many would leave the Church, disillusioned, over the fiasco. It seems that Smith had land speculation in mind when he started the "anti-bank". He and Rigdon fled Kirtland by night to avoid angry mobs of the defrauded.
The Mormon church would become one of the richest religious bodies with an incredible amount of land. In this TWENTY YEAR OLD STORY the amount of land and property owned by the Church was well over a billion dollars, and that was a less than thorough investigation. In that article you will notice that this is an issue of great secrecy in the Church as they do not reveal what they own or where, even to Church members. It is my contention that the "Avenging Angels" morphed into the financial wizards of the Church. It is because of the transition to acquisition that much of the real power in the LDS church would be focused in the financial sector. When we move forward in time we have the curious case of Howard Hughes.

to believe he isn't going to seek any benefits for his church is disingenuous in the extreme

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
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But they have Billions of dollars behind it. That's what makes them dangerous. And please don't confuse me being a Christian with me being in an established Church. I left the "Church" years ago and took my faith with.

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Are you saying that the Christian church, and their branches, are cult-like as well, and that the Mormons are fine as long as their beliefs are not those of the Mormon church? Because I see both churches as cult-like, but if an individual wishes to read Jesus or John Smith, and believe in it privately, then I wouldn't say that individual is promoting a cult in any way. It is only when they form groups is when it appears to be an organized belief of fictional things, which is a church/cult, in my opinion. Of course, not all cults are dangerous, but Christianity is a cult which is very, very dangerous. And as you pointed out, so is Mormonism, which is a branch of Christianity.

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His plan is to gut the United States of America and to promote his Mormon Church/Cult agenda. That agenda is to overthrow the United States of America.

And you are asserting that the US hasn't already been gutted by previous Prez', including one who could potentially be promoting Sharia? What could the Mormon church possibly do that current POTUS hasn't already done to ruin our credibility and bring us to our knees with Draconian legislation and Executive Orders giving himself authority over all communications, etc.?
I've heard stuff too about the Mormon Church but unless you are tying it into the Illuminati I'm not buying it. I think we have more to worry about from the anti-religious Zeitgeist movement really, because they are promoting an atheistic Utopian ideal not unsimilar to Utopian socialism.

In fact now that I looked over that link, I am wondering what issue you have with a Church which pledges the defense of the Constitution and the purpose of the Founding Fathers? Sounds more like the Tea Party to me.

I found this on the site

“When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States the Elders of Israel (Mormons) will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth”” – Daniel H. Ludlow, ed., Selections from Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 1995, “The Church and Society,” p. 122.

Perhaphs you can clarify to me why this presents an attack on America? It looks to me more like the Mormons knew ahead of time through the prophecy of Daniel that the Constitution would be attacked and have pledged to uphold it when others have not.
Further, the commentator makes the claim that the Mormon church will rise up against America. I don't understand, either they will defend the Constitution or they will not.

Originally posted by Sek82

In recent GOP debates, he was one of only two candidates (guess who the other was) which declared that their faith would have no place - and would play no role in their Presidency.

And it's really easy to lie too.

To those who are interested, go look up the "White Horse Prophecy". It's all rather fascinating.

why dont you go into detail about how the mormon faith is dangerous. The base idea behind mormonism is what they call "free agency". Which means every person has the free choice to live as he wants. Again how is mormonism dangerous to the country?

Very well put and very seemingly accurate. I won't pretend to know who Mitt Romney is, but from what we do know, he is 100% naracissistic and sociologically broken. He cares for money more than most anything else, and he believes Jesus came to North America.

The guy just isn't going to have our best interest in mind. Anyone thinking he is right for the job is simply deluding themselves because they're so unhappy with Obama.
This guy is the epitome of corporate greed, and putting him in the White House is going to be the last straw in the complete corporate takeover of the govenment.


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I can just see it now, at the Inauguration, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir coming to perform(looks so dangerous)



instead of this harmless old communist Pete Seeger



Just a compare and contrast

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there is obviously something you are all not considering during your religious fear-mongering and that is the actual existence of God.

perhaps there still exists people who have not learned a single lesson from the last 10 years at least.

but the lesson will be continue to be available free of charge long after the religions and their vestiges have crumbled into dust just like every other religion that has ever existed on this planet.

i think the fear doctrine preached by many on this site is far more dangerous than Mormonism; and at its worst its still just an annoyance.

This is just another DNC thread designed to cast innuendo, rumor, and lies without any facts to back it up.
If you believe it, prove it.

Oh, please.
I know plenty of Mormons, and while my bizarro Catholic @$$ is even perplexed by some of their beliefs, they tend to be the nicest, most giving, and harmless people I know. I'd like the OP to mention if he/she knows any Mormons on a personal level. If so, he/she would know the premise of his opening post is baloney.

I'm a Catholic but I couldn't much care what the Pope does or doesn't do. I have a couple of Muslim aquaintances who don't bomb people, either.

As for Romney, no kidding he's a puppet of TPTB. You think Obama isn't?
While the long term spiral of our failing society will likely continue regardless of who wins the election, I tend to think Romney will stave it off for at least a bit longer. And maybe, just maybe buy some time for people with sensible and logical ideas to get their foot further in the door.
Obama remained on the course for the cliff that Bush had maintained, but he jammed the pedal to the metal. Romney may not hit the brakes but he'll at least let his foot off the gas.

Evil Mormons. Sheesh.

Originally posted by LeoStarchild
Ill take my chances with a guy who HASN'T become president yet... over a guy who has proven time and time again he is a destroyer..

You said it better than I would have.

I have no love for Romney nor the Mormon church, although they do have a couple of idea's I agree with.

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Nope. I agree. both are cult like but the so called Christian ones are so well known, they are not s effective.

Originally posted by skepticconwatcher
reply to post by trysts

 

Nope. I agree. both are cult like but the so called Christian ones are so well known, they are not s effective.

Well, since the Mormons believe in the Jesus is god thing, then they'll probably be accepted by other Christians. Obviously Romney being a politician, just focuses on believing in the same deity as all the other Christians, so the whole John Smith controversy of the Mormon branch is pretty easy to pave over. I mean, basically Mormonism is the more American branch of Christianity, so it's political aspirations in this country became inevitable. This is why you had me on your beginning criticism of Romney, the person, without having to go into the church/cult thing, because then it became for me, just another fight between the branches of the same religion.

I just can't agree here about Mormonism being any threat of any kind as the Faith of a President. If anything, hey, the deep Mormon belief and tradition in self sufficiency and advance (6 months) preparedness for anything that might come in the future could rub off on the nation and be a real net positive. Of course, to some, self reliance is a real nasty word and something to be drummed out of us Americans. Self reliant people have little use for 80% of what Government does.

I actually DO think the Mormon Faith IS a cult. So what? This is the SLC based LDS we're talking about here I presume, NOT the FLDS Fundamentalist radical offshoots which have been in direct fighting with the law. Those are totally different things and BOTH sides say so about each other, when it's come up that way. If it's a Cult, I know nothing of them hurting anyone inside or outside their Faith and I DO know more than one Mormon who lead pretty good and solid lives with that as their Faith. So...define cult I guess and why any belief system which harms no one else ought to be our business?

On the first part? Wow... Our nation is failing, we're 16 trillion in debt with Compound interest hell out there somewhere in a dim future, waiting to smash us and a business climate in the United States for the last 10-12 years which has driven almost everyone out who could actually leave. If nothing else, Romney knows how to make money and make things work. Truckloads of money. GOOOD. His new corporation is real red on the ink and is desperate need of good business sense.

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Spot on OP. Well said. No wonder he comes across as a robot. He's been programmed. Just like every religious nut. But, Mormonism is right up there with Scientology as far as bat-#-crazy programming goes.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by skepticconwatcher

 

His plan is to gut the United States of America and to promote his Mormon Church/Cult agenda. That agenda is to overthrow the United States of America.

And you are asserting that the US hasn't already been gutted by previous Prez', including one who could potentially be promoting Sharia? What could the Mormon church possibly do that current POTUS hasn't already done to ruin our credibility and bring us to our knees with Draconian legislation and Executive Orders giving himself authority over all communications, etc.?
I've heard stuff too about the Mormon Church but unless you are tying it into the Illuminati I'm not buying it. I think we have more to worry about from the anti-religious Zeitgeist movement really, because they are promoting an atheistic Utopian ideal not unsimilar to Utopian socialism.

In fact now that I looked over that link, I am wondering what issue you have with a Church which pledges the defense of the Constitution and the purpose of the Founding Fathers? Sounds more like the Tea Party to me.

I found this on the site

“When the people shall have torn to shreds the Constitution of the United States the Elders of Israel (Mormons) will be found holding it up to the nations of the earth”” – Daniel H. Ludlow, ed., Selections from Encyclopedia of Mormonism, 1995, “The Church and Society,” p. 122.

Perhaphs you can clarify to me why this presents an attack on America? It looks to me more like the Mormons knew ahead of time through the prophecy of Daniel that the Constitution would be attacked and have pledged to uphold it when others have not.
Further, the commentator makes the claim that the Mormon church will rise up against America. I don't understand, either they will defend the Constitution or they will not.

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Crazy stuff entertains me & that made me want to buy popcorn in bulk & read it over and over. Are you for real? Wow, I guess I need to be a little more suspicious of the people I stand next to in the grocery line. Jeepers, creepers

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yeah, its Bush's fault that every other word out of Obama's mouth is a lie!

reply to post by KireDj


I went to the webpage provided for in the OP and that is where I got the EX text I posted, right from the OP's own link. I worry about this country when the people think it's strange that a Christian denomination pledges to defend the Constitution and instead they declare it to be cultish and a danger to the country. Don't you think there is something a little bizarre in that thinking? Or are you one of those people who think the Constitution is just a piece of paper?
The link and the OP's post both suggested that the Mormon Church has an anti American spin, but the link showed where the Church would hold up the Constitution when others have attacked it. Which side are you on my friend?
Also on the OP's link the title has the word Zeitgeist on it. Zeitgeist has a reputation for being anti-religion and for it's Utopian spiel.

Reading is a good thing but you have to be able to comprehend and analyze what you are reading.

Oh and as for who you stand next to in the grocery line, perhaps you might want to observe if they are buying filet mignon with those food stamps.

And yes, you BET I'm for real. I would take a Mormon Capitalist any day over a Marxist who dreamed that one day he would be able to redistribute the wealth of average Americans and give it to all his buddies at Goldman Sachs while convincing his base that corporations are evil capitalist pigs.

If you are a person who is afraid of a Mormon you really need to hide yourself underneath a rock and never come out!! I have dealt with Mormons a good deal of time due to my job and I'm black/Hispanic and never felt uncomfortable in their presence and to the contrary they are some of the nicest people I have met. In a world full with dictators, killers, crazy people, cribs, bloods, mara's, kkk, disciples... Being afraid of a Mormon should be the last of your concern.

I won't vote for Romney because he is a chronic flip flopper, pathological liar who would do and say anything to get to the WH, but that's an issue of character not of religion.