Michelle Obama Threat: D.C. Police Officer Allegedly Said He

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by stanguilles7

 

That is were you are wrong. This was a county I once loved, but because of liberals and progressives, it has become a county I can't stand, and if we don't get back to the basics of what makes this county great, I want no part of it.

There are banana republics where a guy can have your version of the American Dream (no community responsibility whatsoever) just south of here. Mexico is good if you have enough cash, and so are some of the other Latin America countries. If you have the money, you can live like a king down there. Hell, on the west coast of mexico, there are entire cities that are populated by retired US ex-patriots living the Tea Party dream, with rent a cops to keep the brown skins in line.

If you can actually remember a time when this nation wasn't progressive, then you're probably as old and dusty as white dog sh*t anyway, so you should look into one of the these little hideaways. They love the white haired white folks. Good for steady money and low drama.

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reply to post by xyankee

Yea, your right, it is a real shame that you yuppy pussies, who have no idea of hard work, freedom, and honor of your fellow neighbors, came and screwed the entire country. Look at where the economy is, look at the amount of laws you need to prevent someone from being offended or god forbid inconvenienced by another.

you can take your political correctness that your type needs and stuff it in your @&&. It was honest, hard working, old men that built this country. So why don't you take your poor excuse of a man and go to mexico, we were here long before you.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

So it is conjecture to call it Statism when a representative of that State in the form of health and human services has mom's lunch replaced by corporate McNuggets because the State thinks it knows better about nutrition? Maybe it is you who should redefine what you think is normal. I guess that is what happens when society gets used to the outrageous interventions of the State.

Yes it is conjecture.

1. Because there is no law that says that the children have to eat these so called "corporate McNuggets" over the food which was prepared for them by their parents.

And

2. The incident you described,only occurred once, and was deemed a misunderstanding. Clearly whoever was "inspecting" these lunches failed to do so properly and reasonably.

It is perfectly reasonable for an "official's of the state" or as I like to call them "fellow human beings" to be concerned over the welfare of a child who is in the school.

As one of the "officials" said in an article

“If a parent sends their child with a Coke and a Twinkie, the child care provider is going to need to provide a balanced lunch for the child,”

This of course was not the case in the indecent you posted, however the reasoning is sound. If a child was given 5 crackers by their parents for lunch, do you not think it is up to a 3rd party to deem that meal not satisfactory for a lunch. Or should they say "no thats perfectly fine, they have the right to feed their child what they want". Of course not, because sometimes a child's parents do not know what is best for their child which in turn requires intervention.

Oh yes, I was explaining the relationship between the State's desire to control and regulate our thoughts and the State's desire to control what we eat. It is well spelled out in Jonah Goldberg's book, "Liberal Fascism", where he explains that the nanny state or fascism has it's roots in the Progressive movement and the Progressives' desire to control every aspect of our lives "for our own good".
Yes Michelle and Obama are both Statists extroardinaire but reserve for themselves the best of everything.

But they don't, last time I checked I could go to McDonalds and buy 10 big macs and 10 large fries eat them all and puke (no I have not actually done that). I can turn on any form of media and listen to any commentator I want without risk of he police knocking down my door and arresting me for "thought crime". I can leave my house at any time of day on any day and walk down my street without being arrested for being out after curfew, you know why... because there isn't one.

This may be just semantics but I would love to ask Jonah Goldberg why he titled his book "Liberal Fascism", since fascism is its own political ideology that opposes both liberal and conservative view points, not to mention communism and socialism.

I would agree with you in part that some progressives would like to control are daily lives, just like there are some conservatives that would like to control our daily lives, this is not a Statist position, more than it is an authoritarian position. The reason I differentiate the two is that a "state" represented by the people (i.e. a Representative Democracy) can vote against bad laws and vote out bad politicians, this is in contrast to Authoritarianism which is (while not necessarily opposed to democracy) not in the best interests of the people and more in the interests of the elite of society.

However it is the states obligation to better society, as it is a representation of it. Therefore if an idea and or activity is not in the best interests of the people, then it should oppose them/it.

For example I smoke cigarettes (not nearly as much as I used to though), I do not want the state to take my right to smoke away from me and I would actively oppose them if they tried. But I do expect them to force companies to provide the information that they are extremely harmful, and even actively discourage their use. The same can be said for firearms.

That in my opinion is one of the major dividing points in our society right now, and the crux of the disagreements that you and I have.

"How much power/authority should the government have?"

I don't think for a minute he was doing anything but running off with the mouth. He was stupid and let his politics and frustration get the best of him. But the fact he is a law enforcement official, requires him to hold himself to a higher standard than the rest of us when it comes to such things. He will be investigated and provided he doesn't have any evidence to planning on doing such a thing released and fired never to work in law enforcement outside of mall security again. Stupid mistake by someone who should have known better.

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2. The incident you described,only occurred once, and was deemed a misunderstanding. Clearly whoever was "inspecting" these lunches failed to do so properly and reasonably.

And why the hell were they inspecting lunches to begin with?
Did you ever have this happen to you as a child? I know I didnt and I dont remember this happening prior to this administration.

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If you have to ask you didn't read my post.

Again this only happened ONCE

Originally posted by xyankee
reply to post by xyankee

 

Yea, your right, it is a real shame that you yuppy pussies, who have no idea of hard work, freedom, and honor of your fellow neighbors, came and screwed the entire country. Look at where the economy is, look at the amount of laws you need to prevent someone from being offended or god forbid inconvenienced by another.

you can take your political correctness that your type needs and stuff it in your @&&. It was honest, hard working, old men that built this country. So why don't you take your poor excuse of a man and go to mexico, we were here long before you.

You postin' at me, there Jethro?

These here postin' boards are pretty tricky lil' devils ain't they.



You're a guy who's typing angry stuff on a website messageboard. You're not working hard or building anything. You live in a Tea Bagger fantasy narrative, and you're not even convincing in your portrayal of one of the guys who really did work his *ss off to build a life for his kids and grandkids.

Those guys never wasted a whole day on a conspiracy forum disgracing their point of view by advocating the murder of somebody's wife and mother. Those guys would take someone talking your level of trash and slap the ugly right out of him for good. They'd never put up with that kind of garbage. Not even if it's just words. Those guys had respect for the office of the presidency, even if they didn't like what the guy in that office was doing at the time. They also had respect for women, and especially moms.

They'd have a guy like you picked out for keeping an eye on, and not because they'd be seeing you as a brother in arms.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by Juggernog

 

If you have to ask you didn't read my post.

Again this only happened ONCE

edit on 13-7-2012 by Openeye because: (no reason given)

I read it and so what.
This is the beginning of a trend. Next it will be backpack inspections at the schools entrance, then patdowns.
Then, when schools complain that theyre overwhelmed and cant afford the expenses anymore, they will assign TSA agents to help them out.
Wait and see, its already been done at a HS prom

Originally posted by Juggernog

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by Juggernog

 

If you have to ask you didn't read my post.

Again this only happened ONCE

edit on 13-7-2012 by Openeye because: (no reason given)

I read it and so what.
This is the beginning of a trend. Next it will be backpack inspections at the schools entrance, then patdowns.
Then, when schools complain that theyre overwhelmed and cant afford the expenses anymore, they will assign TSA agents to help them out.
Wait and see, its already been done at a HS prom

Predicting the future is always a great way to pull an argument straight out of your behind. I mean, there is no argument against the power of prophesy. I read the Harry Potter books, fighting fate is a practice in futility. So you win this one, I guess.

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I will say it again...conjecture.

No one is going to be patting down preschoolers and kindergartners.

Inspecting lunches to see if their parents are actually feeding them...reasonable.

And as for TSA style pat downs, those already go down at High Schools all over the country. Maybe that because at the high school I went to people got stabbed, and in others near where I lived shot. So metal detectors and random searches in high school may be reasonable if the environment warrants it.

reply to post by Openeye

No one is going to be patting down preschoolers and kindergartners.

Sure about that?
Already happens at airports and has been reported to have happened at some train stations and bus terminals.
In their eyes, everyone is a potential enemy of the state and if they can push their so called authority from transportation to a HS prom, they can and most likely will, push it to the entire educational system.

Honestly, I hope I am wrong but I doubt it. I can see where we are heading and its a shame.

I wouldn't put it past any politician to create a situation like this in order to rally support behind the current presidential family.

Considering all the mysterious deaths surrounding each of our present and past presidents, this kind of ploy would be nothing on their conscience.

Respect no one just because they have a high position of power. People always say respect the President.. blah blah. Yeah, respect the president while hes shoving his Marxist agenda down your throat. The whole Obama family is full of #. She shouldn't be shot, just sent to a desolate island where she can think long and hard.

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Perfect southern response....why don't you just come out and say you hate that a black man is in office. Get over it!

reply to post by goldcoin


Yeah, I have a suspicion that it was simply meant as some sort of joke (Though I have a hard time imagining just what sort of joke would have a punchline involve killing the first lady....Eh, maybe the officer just wasn't that funny?)

Still it's the right thing to take the officer off of the motorcycle escort....As D.C. Mayor Vincent Gray said in the article
"There's no room for jokes or frivolity when you're dealing with the first family," .........If anything, it certainly shows the officer was very unprofessional.

Originally posted by Kang69
Respect no one just because they have a high position of power. People always say respect the President.. blah blah. Yeah, respect the president while hes shoving his Marxist agenda down your throat. The whole Obama family is full of #. She shouldn't be shot, just sent to a desolate island where she can think long and hard.

This is all an opinion and not fact. You were probably on the bush train but that was a man to disrespect. As an American you should Not spread rumors about out president and shouldn't threaten the first lady.

As for me I am proud he is my president!

reply to post by Openeye

1. Because there is no law that says that the children have to eat these so called "corporate McNuggets" over the food which was prepared for them by their parents.

No law and yet that employee made the child eat McNuggets instead of mom's lunch. There must be a school policy somewhere that dictated this....

. The incident you described,only occurred once, and was deemed a misunderstanding. Clearly whoever was "inspecting" these lunches failed to do so properly and reasonably.

How do you know it's just once? Perhaps it was only reported once. It's not the State's responsibility to make sure mom's home packed lunch is nutritionally balanced.

Originally posted by Openeye
reply to post by Juggernog

 

I will say it again...conjecture.

No one is going to be patting down preschoolers and kindergartners.

Inspecting lunches to see if their parents are actually feeding them...reasonable.

And as for TSA style pat downs, those already go down at High Schools all over the country. Maybe that because at the high school I went to people got stabbed, and in others near where I lived shot. So metal detectors and random searches in high school may be reasonable if the environment warrants it.

Why? They are already doing it at the airports.

My first thought: Why is it that everyone that seems to want to kill someone of err... *breathes in* "importance" they go and tell everyone their master plan? It's like a villain in a video-game or a movie, it doesn't make sense to me. But I guess if you're just going to get up and assassinate someone of *breathes in* "importance" you might not be able to think in three-dimensions. When stories like these come up, I have to think of scapegoat because it's what happens quite a lot from what I've been hearing.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

No law and yet that employee made the child eat McNuggets instead of mom's lunch.

First off...yes the employee WAS in the wrong, the department of health and human services said the employee was not following the procedure correctly.

There must be a school policy somewhere that dictated this....

Show it to me...you are making a claim so the burden of proof is on you. Again more conjecture

How do you know it's just once? Perhaps it was only reported once.

I'm not 100% sure, however logically speaking the conservative base and media eat stories like this up and are the first to speak out on nearly all forms of state intervention. Therefore if more incidents like this occurred they would have been reported.

It's not the State's responsibility to make sure mom's home packed lunch is nutritionally balanced.

In your opinion.

I however think it IS the states responsibility to look after its citizens well being, and if the parents are not doing their job then who else is going to do it. This is why conservatives (by in large) are starting to send their kids to highly religious private schools where they are teaching kids their version of "truth".

Its absurd.