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Chemtrail Tanker Air Show For The Skeptics

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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by EddyR3
reply to post by PlanetXisHERE
 




cancer particles


What are cancer particles?


Good question. I should have said "cancer causing particles" which is more accurate.

And these are mycoplasmas.

According to Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and one of America’s top mycoplasma researchers, this disease agent causes many illnesses including,

AIDS

cancer

chronic fatigue syndrome

Crohn’s colitis

Type I diabetes

multiple sclerosis

Parkinson’s disease

Wegener’s disease

collagen-vascular diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and Alzheimer’s


Dr Charles Engel, who is with the US National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland, stated the following at an NIH meeting on February 7, 2000:"I am now of the view that the probable cause of chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia is the mycoplasma..."



Many doctors don’t know about this mycoplasma disease agent because it was developed by the US military in biological warfare experimentation and it was not made public. This pathogen was patented by the United States military and Dr Shyh-Ching Lo. I have a copy of the documented patent from the US Patent Office.1



The title page of a genuine US Senate Study, declassified on February 24, 1977, shows that George Merck, of the pharmaceutical company, Merck Sharp & Dohme (which now makes cures for diseases that at one time it created), reported in 1946 to the US Secretary of War that his researchers had managed "for the first time" to "isolate the disease agent in crystalline form".


Here's the article:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...


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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Why do people that believe in chemtrails think that showing pictures of contrails prove the existence of chemtrails? I really don't get their logic. We know that contrails leave a checkered pattern due to flight paths. We know that contrails can dissipate or linger. What are you trying to show?


Human_Alien...do you believe in every single conspiracy theory you come across? Most of your threads are ridiculous and discredit the real conspiracies. You constantly call everyone that disagrees with you COINTELPRO..... but If anyone would be a dis-info agent it would be you.

Not trying to be mean but...you make us all look like this guy...




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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:32 AM
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Ive never seen anything setup to crop dust except for crop dusters and those are usually helicopters or single engine prop planes. In the video all i see is equal number of contrails for an equal number of engines and some slight fuel dumpage or randome bits of humid turbulence which will make slight intermitted contrials much like you see in a F-15C making a tight turn.

The only meduim to heavy ive even seen with dedicated non-fuel tanks were firefighting aircraft. But im sure for huge coporate farms they might have bigger crop-dusting aircraft. Im no debunker by any means and i keep a very open mind but this is just a pilot telling you what he sees in these aircraft. Coming up to my 1st 1000 hours too.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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A question: If they have been spraying chemical X Y and Z for decades, wouldn't there be a shortage of said chemicals by now? Wouldn't it be easy to find out who buys said chemicals in large quantities?

Another question? What about (persistent) shiptrails? What are the dynamics behind that? It's exactly the same as a persistent contrail.

shiptrails

shiptrails

I think aviation smog is a better term because, it in fact is aviation smog!

Aviation smog
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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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Wow,... The music in that video sounds like it was lifted right out of a 1980's porn. I was wondering when John Holmes was going to walk into frame with a pizza delivery or something.


As for the planes in the video spraying chemtrails, I don't think so.. The so called spray that you see coming from the tail of the planes shown in the video is nothing more than a contrail coming from the A.P.U. (Auxiliary Power Unit).

Auxiliary Power Unit in a Boeing 737



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why do people that believe in chemtrails think that showing pictures of contrails prove that chemtrails exist? I really don't get their logic. We know that contrails leave a checkered pattern due to light paths. We know that contrails can dissipate or linger. What are you trying to show?


Have you checked out the title of this forum or the overview?

Just in case you missed it, the name of the forum is "Geoengineering"

Here is the overview provided by ATS: "Overview of current topics in the Geo-Engineering and Chemtrails discussion forum."

So while of course you are entitled to your opinion, don't you think it is ludicrous to come on here and expect people to not be talking about or not giving proof of chemtrails, given the nature of ATS, the title of this forum and its overview?

I think it is okay to give your opinion you don't believe fine - you have no right to mock others for their beliefs - anywhere - especially on ATS.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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I'll give a couple of reasons why I feel that Chemtrails are real.

1) for thousands of years man has tried to control the weather so why should it be different now, especially when we have researched it so much and have the ability to do it.

2) If they say that they can effectively alter the atmosphere by Geoengeneering than how would they know unless they have tried it. There is no way that a computer program simulation could give them the evidence they need.

3) The government doesn't deny they are doing it anywhere. They do say they are not putting any chemicals in the atmosphere that are proven harmful. They can't be proven harmful if the effects have not been totally tested because they overlooked possible side effects of their actions. Nothing is considered bad for us until it is proven bad and there is no liability unless it is used after the toxic effects are known. Right now there are no laws stopping geoengeneering so it is totaly legal till it is proven to be bad.

4) They have been testing this for some time. Part of that testing is watching the health effects of the people in the area. Allowable risk is applied to these things, the only question is whether the project is worth the casualties it creates.

5) Why would anyone think the governments around the world aren't doing this. I would be disappointed if they weren't. It is their job to get the technology to try to make our future secure. I'm pretty sure that controlling the weather and protecting our lifestyle against perils from the sun is justifiable.

I could come up with a lot of reasons I feel they are investigating this and testing if it works. It is not illegal or even immoral to do this. They are eliminating testing but without eliminating this testing they would never know if it is feasible or if it works if needed in an emergency situation. Sure they are going to make a few mistakes, hasn't science made lots of mistakes in the past? Look at the nuclear testing they did to develop the bomb and improve it, didn't they kill or sicken a lot of people with their testing? That's the way it is folks and we aren't going to change that policy and I'm not sure we should.

Some may say I don't have compassion but I do. I just feel that we will keep making lots of mistakes since we are human and this testing of geoengeneering is necessary because we screwed up our atmosphere by neglecting the health of the earth for many years. We need to stop poluting, especially our use of chemicals that hurt the earth. The use of chemicals is everywhere, some of the worst in the medicines we pee out and soaps that we use that have miticides in them. We have to control our consumption and recycle things and keep lots of forests alive. Put Ecology above Economy as being important in the world and we will be alright.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Why do people that believe in chemtrails think that showing pictures of contrails prove that chemtrails exist? I really don't get their logic. We know that contrails leave a checkered pattern due to light paths. We know that contrails can dissipate or linger. What are you trying to show?


Have you checked out the title of this forum or the overview?

Just in case you missed it, the name of the forum is "Geoengineering"

Here is the overview provided by ATS: "Overview of current topics in the Geo-Engineering and Chemtrails discussion forum."

So while of course you are entitled to your opinion, don't you think it is ludicrous to come on here and expect people to not be talking about or not giving proof of chemtrails, given the nature of ATS, the title of this forum and its overview?

I think it is okay to give your opinion you don't believe fine - you have no right to mock others for their beliefs - anywhere - especially on ATS.


I think it would be a bit different if people were presenting proof of chemtrails rather than assumptions and speculation. But as it stands, tests have not been done, proof has not been presented, and we're left with keyboard warriors trying to pass their opinions as facts.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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On every subject there is going to be the ying-yang we should all know that.

If you watch the skies every day then maybe just maybe it will hit the skeptics something isn't right but it's a logic and common sense thing and from what I know most people don't use it.

The real question is or should be: To DEEP breathe or not to deep breathe.

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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by mikemck1976
Wow,... The music in that video sounds like it was lifted right out of a 1980's porn. I was wondering when John Holmes was going to walk into frame with a pizza delivery or something.


As for the planes in the video spraying chemtrails, I don't think so.. The so called spray that you see coming from the tail of the planes shown in the video is nothing more than a contrail coming from the A.P.U. (Auxiliary Power Unit).

Auxiliary Power Unit in a Boeing 737




It is somewhat unlikely that the contrail emanating from the tail region was from the APU. First, on normal 737 operations, the APU is usually not operated in flight. There is a recurring problem with the APU low oil pressure warning sensor if the unit is operated at or above FL 380 (38,000 feet pressure altitude). Depending upon the particular operator's operating specifications and certifications, it may be used on ETOPS flights -extended operations over water in twin engine aircraft, and it may be used in the event of an electrical malfunction like a failed generator. In addition, the APU burns so little fuel - about 90 kg per hour - that the water vapor output would be barely above negligible.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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Aha.....We now know that you watched porn in the eighties.
You seem to know about planes, are you an airplane mechanic or just have an interest in them?

The Chemtrail jets have nozzles on the wings to spray the chemtrails. I saw pictures of them from someone who posted pictures of them on the net that worked at some airport. They were experimental planes used for geoengeneering.

These systems could be incorporated into all jet construction in the future if they wanted to and wouldn't require having special planes or even special missions to deploy the chemicals. That is if the geoengeneering actually works and the side effects don't kill us all.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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Aha.....We now know that you watched porn in the eighties.
You seem to know about planes, are you an airplane mechanic or just have an interest in them?

The Chemtrail jets have nozzles on the wings to spray the chemtrails. I saw pictures of them from someone who posted pictures of them on the net that worked at some airport. They were experimental planes used for geoengeneering.

These systems could be incorporated into all jet construction in the future if they wanted to and wouldn't require having special planes or even special missions to deploy the chemicals. That is if the geoengeneering actually works and the side effects don't kill us all.


Nozzles on the wings to spray chemtrails? Sure thing, just show us the pictures you speak of. We'll be eagerly awaiting the astounding proof. Really.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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A friend of mine shown me a picture of the flying spaghetti monster so it must be true!



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:15 AM
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Here's an article to read that explains the governments place in the Geoengineering business. They state there are no policies regulating geoengeneering and even private organizations and businesses can do it. This means that the government doesn't have to be paying for this yet directly but could be funding research or commited to a corporation to buy their services in the future if they do the testing.

Here is the article, it's probably been posted here before in the past. www.scribd.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by flyswatter

Nozzles on the wings to spray chemtrails? Sure thing, just show us the pictures you speak of. We'll be eagerly awaiting the astounding proof. Really.


If this isn't proof I don't know what is, see in the video where they have labelled "nozzles"? And the "nozzles" don't look like engines?






posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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1000 hours....congrats, man I'm stuck at 450......I dropped out when Reagan fired the ATC accross the entire US



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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In response to that same video

contrailscience.com...



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by Uncinus

Originally posted by getreadyalready
They are, and always have been CONTRAILS! Caused by the quick compression and decompression of already humid air, where conditions are right, or at least intermittently right for them to form ice crystals and stay aloft and reflect light and become visible to us 7 miles below on the ground.


A correction though, while contrails can form from compression and decompression of humid air, the long persistent trails you see are almost always not of this type. They are exhaust contrails, caused by the extra water in the exhaust gasses momentarily raising the relative humidity over 100%, allowing water to condense and freeze. If the relative humidity is over 60%, then the ice crystals will continue to grow, and the contrail will gain mass and spread.


Again, there just isn't enough fuel in the plane for the water vapor in the exhaust to make any long distance trail. It might be a very small piece of the puzzle, but it isn't responsible for the lines being 200 miles long. Only the existing moisture in the air can create that effect. To raise the relative humidity would take a lot more water vapor than the jet is able to provide even if the fuel were 100% water, which it is not.


The jet fuel doesn't carry water vapor. It makes it by virtue of burning dodecane (molecular formula C12H26) in an oxygen rich atmosphere. Our 737s burn right at 2800 kg (6200 pounds for the non-metric luddites out there.) That is per engine per hour at cruise power. So, there is 930 pounds/engine/hour of hydrogen to combine with the oxygen in the air to produce H2O(g) or water vapor. Since the atomic weight of hydrogen is roughly 1 and that of oxygen is 16, that gives you about 9300 pounds of water vapor. The end result is that for every pound of fuel, you can make 1.5 pounds of water vapor. And our 747s can carry a hair less than a half million pounds of fuel. That makes a lot of ice crystals. Annd the fine carbon particles exhausted and not used in CO2 formation make worderflly good nucleii for non-spherical ice crystal formation. These crystals at airline flight levels are inhomogenous in size but average agout 100 micrometers in cross section according to the National Center for Atmospheric Research. With an average density at -60C of 0.91 g/m^-3, 9300 pounds makes a lot of crystals.

I guess my point is that no matter which side of the argument you are on, a little real science will help the argument.

Oh yeah, you should see the size aircraft you would need to haul an equivalent amount of aluminum and/or boron.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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why does your" sources ", www.bibliotecapleyades.net... ,

invent its " facts " ?

the most damming [ and easiest to demonstrate as false ] is this bold faced lie :


Mark Purdy was awarded the 1997 Nobel Prize for his discoveries.


no credible basis in science can be found for thier other " facts "



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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You need to do more research before spreading disinformation...

contrailscience.com...




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