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Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by tsurfer2000h
Why should I care about the number of passengers? This is a chemtrail thread. We're concerned about planes in the air. If LAX is the busiest airport on the west coast and it lost over 100,000 landings/takeoffs between 2000 and 2010 - we're in trouble. We need a quorum - enough planes in the air at one time in tight formation like in WWII (a thousand or so) - to make grids in the sky. That's what we're looking for here. And I picked LAX because I know it's busy.
But wait, tsurfer2000h, from the statistics you supplied, I'm starting to wonder if you're not a closet chemtrailer. You said 603,912 landings/takeoffs in 2011 and 575,875 in 2010. I gave you 666,938 for 2010. So it's even worse then I thought. A loss of about 180,000 landings/takeoffs since 2000. Over 200,000 lost in 2010. What's up with that?
I know you're not the one who put up the looney graph from Boeing but let me just address that here too. Boeing generated what they call a 'Statistical Summary of Commercial Jet Airplane Accidents.' That's the link that graph came from (not the link Thorazine put up - slick, slim.) This means that they have a vested interest in a statistic high enough to make accidents with their planes look average. According to the last report to Congress that I could find, they're in trouble. No new orders to speak of and nothing on the horizon - and a backlog of existing planes which were in that statistical summary and because that's about it on their revenue in that sector, those planes had better be ok.
The Commercial Jet Aircraft Market
Boeing and Airbus entered the ongoing recessionary period with a considerable backlog of undelivered aircraft on their books (Airbus recorded a backlog of 3,715 and Boeing 3,714)
By one view, there is a growing supply of surplus aircraft in this market sector and it will take years for this surplus to be absorbed by a global airline industry currently operating at reduced capacity.
But all of this is easily solved without having to follow the money or even read one statistic. Simply look up and if you see a grid in the sky (like the many pictures posted on chemtrail sites) you should see about 1,000 jets in tight formation. If you see that, then chances are good it's not chemtrails.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
We're concerned about planes in the air. Simply look up and if you see a grid in the sky (like the many pictures posted on chemtrail sites) you should see about 1,000 jets in tight formation. If you see that, then chances are good it's not chemtrails.
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by tsurfer2000h
I know you're not the one who put up the looney graph from Boeing but let me just address that here too. Boeing generated what they call a 'Statistical Summary of Commercial Jet Airplane Accidents.' That's the link that graph came from (not the link Thorazine put up - slick, slim.) This means that they have a vested interest in a statistic high enough to make accidents with their planes look average.
According to the last report to Congress that I could find, they're in trouble. No new orders to speak of and nothing on the horizon -
("both firms" being Boeing and Airbus)
Both firms have continued to deliver significant numbers of new aircraft to their airline and/or
leasing firm customers, and both are profitable.
The aerospace industry’s commercial side anticipates difficult business conditions for the near and medium term, but long-term projections by Boeing, for instance, are positive, with airlines expected to need 29,000 new planes valued at $3.2 trillion between 2009 and 2028.1
and a backlog of existing planes which were in that statistical summary and because that's about it on their revenue in that sector, those planes had better be ok.
The Commercial Jet Aircraft Market
Boeing and Airbus entered the ongoing recessionary period with a considerable backlog of undelivered aircraft on their books (Airbus recorded a backlog of 3,715 and Boeing 3,714)
By one view, there is a growing supply of surplus aircraft in this market sector and it will take years for this surplus to be absorbed by a global airline industry currently operating at reduced capacity.
Boeing and Airbus both have substantial backlogs of orders on their books built up beginning in
2003. Industry analysts say that Boeing is working on a seven-year backlog and Airbus on a six year
backlog. Both have slowed production lines for 2009, and the trend may continue through
2010 or 2011, but many analysts expect this hiatus to be temporary.
I am glad I was able to deny your ignorance, and you are now better informed!
Originally posted by _BoneZ_
You've got some nerve talking about "pseudo-science". There isn't one shred of verifiable, repeatable scientific evidence to prove the made-up word "chemtrails" even exist.
Right now, you've got jack nothing.
H.R. 2977 (107th): Space Preservation Act of 2001
SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS
(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--
(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;
(ii) CHEMTRAILS;
(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;
(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;
(v) laser weapons systems;
(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and
(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons
I feel kinda sorry for the person who made the video. He continues to make himself a laughing stock to those of us who had a proper education and can see that we're looking at contrails and wingtip vortices..
H.R. 2977 (107th): Space Preservation Act of 2001
Originally posted by knowneedtoknow
Ohh yes i do, it's called
H.R. 2977 (107th): Space Preservation Act of 2001
Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by flyswatter
CLAIM: Grids of white lines in the sky are caused by one, two or three...maybe even five jets accidentally creating outrageously persistent contrails.
FACT: In WWII a thousand jets, flying in tight formation sometimes produced grids of white lines in the sky but in most cases of grids, there was already a front forming.
CLAIM: Grids of white lines in the sky are increasing because air traffic is increasing.
FACT: LAX, as one of the reporting airports to the Airport Council International, has lost 100,000 to 200,000 landings/takeoffs since 2000. And, as another poster quoted, this is the busiest airport on the west coast.
CLAIM: Grids of white lines in the sky are just an accident of altitude and humidity.
FACT: A number of technologies and methods exist (have existed) to insure that there is never a white line that persists in the sky.
CLAIM: Global dimming and lack of visibility for ground-based astronomy and the heat retentive properties of jet cirrus are things that we just can't do anything about.
FACT: See previous FACT.
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by knowneedtoknow
What exactly is it you think this 11 year old failed bill proves?
The CHEMTRAIL WORD DO exist
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by knowneedtoknow
That 'Space Preservation Act' gets pulled out of the hat by chemtrail believers over and over again
I suppose my laptop is in on the cover-up because every time I type the word chemtrail a squiggly red line appears under it, hmm, I put it to sleep an hour ago, I'm using it now so it should be 'awake'.....apparently not, oh well.
Originally posted by knowneedtoknow
Originally posted by seabhac-rua
reply to post by knowneedtoknow
That 'Space Preservation Act' gets pulled out of the hat by chemtrail believers over and over again
I suppose my laptop is in on the cover-up because every time I type the word chemtrail a squiggly red line appears under it, hmm, I put it to sleep an hour ago, I'm using it now so it should be 'awake'.....apparently not, oh well.
You are a liar it doesn't i did try it on google and yahoo nice one agent keep on switching your accounts