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Chemtrail Tanker Air Show For The Skeptics

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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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Think of clouds - how quickly do they disperse??

And of course it's not strictly speaking water vapour (just being a bit pedantic sorry
) - contrails are usually clouds of ice crystals (as are Cirrus clouds), and the temperatures they form are often around -40 deg C.....so really the only way they disperse is if the air around them has low enough humidity, 'cos they aren't going to melt!




posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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Originally posted by ProtectedWitness

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by AndyMayhew

Are you serious? After all these threads, you still think contrails are chemtrails to seed clouds?


Sorry, but try Sorcha Faal - though not sure even she/he/it would run with than one.

I KNOW you know what weather mod/cloud seeding is. But that then makes you a troll .....



All I know is we're not being told the truth. It starts and stops right there.


Does this mean we can end this thread now?


you can end it anytime you want, just go look at something else but you wont. Why is that?



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 07:19 AM
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Airplanes dumping fuels. Nothing to see hear. Happens all the time



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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The government have anti-gravity technology, build space shuttles in outter space, can manipulate the planets weather patterns.... Im sure they can cause chemtrails.

I dont ever remember as a child seeing huge trails in the sky that expand throughout the day blocking the sun and stars?? Lines in every direction, at least these chemtrail pilots could be more creative with design lol.

Where does this denial about chemicals being sprayed come from? They PUT FLOURIDE IN YOUR WATER SOURCE FFS! They make genetically MODIFIED fooods, add chemicals and "preservitives"... You and other sketpics are way far from what reality is. You live the reality society wants you to believe in. You think you live in a perfect happy reality with a government that takes care of ya? You and others are compelte morons if you think on those lines.... why is chemtrails so hard to belive?

open you mind, it might help you...
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As much bashing and discredit you get on this site human_alien... I give you respect for fighting for the truth. I know its hard to find 1000% PROOF that these little human minds need to accept things, especially with sources on the internet.. but at least you and others are trying, while others are ignoring.

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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Where does this denial about chemicals being sprayed come from?


It comes from knowledge of planes, weather, and chemistry.

My degree is in chemical engineering, and I am a private pilot, and I've been watching and admiring planes since I was old enough to walk.

Yes, they put flouride in our water, and yes they genetically modify the foods, and yes they spray chemicals in the air for a number of reasons. We know all these things, we know they have supposed reasons for doing these things, and nobody is denying them.

The long white trails in the sky are ALWAYS CONTRAILS! There is no good reason for them to be chemicals, it wouldn't make any sense or serve any purpose, and even if they did have a purpose, we have pilots and passengers in the air at all times, and we see the trails being formed exactly when and where we expect them to be formed, and we don't see any secret aircraft 20x the size of existing aircraft up there sneaking around laying chemtrails.

The answer to your question is an easy one. Chemtrails would be useless and practically impossible to create, and if they were creating them, we would have 1000s of eyewitnesses, and nobody would bother denying it, they would just justify it the same way they do the GMO and Flouride.
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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:25 AM
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There is already Sulfur in the jet fuel, as well as regular Diesel Fuel. Making the engines run richer, or injecting Sulfur or Sulfur dioxide would make very little difference in the visible exhaust of an engine. It definitely would NOT create long, white, persistent lines. It might make temporary black smoke like we see from some known aircraft that run intentionally rich fuel/air mixtures.

Some planes and engines run intentionally rich mixtures to increase power and to lower the operating temperature of the engines. These black exhaust trails do not persist, they quickly disperse.




posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:28 AM
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Nothing like someone who knows nothing of Chemistry making an abodlute claim - especially someone who apparently wasn't born before the mid-90's.


This is a comical response.

I was born in 1974, and my degree is in Chemical Engineering, my younger brother's degree is in Physics. If you don't believe it, feel free to check out any of my 17,000 posts on ATS to verify where I've mentioned it a few hundred times.


I also happen to be a private pilot, and an investigator for the state.

Pretty sure I'm qualified to my opinions.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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The government have anti-gravity technology, build space shuttles in outter space, can manipulate the planets weather patterns.... Im sure they can cause chemtrails.


If they have anti-gravity technology, why don't they use it? If they can manipulate the planet's weather patterns, why are there wildfires and hurricanes?


I dont ever remember as a child seeing huge trails in the sky that expand throughout the day blocking the sun and stars?? Lines in every direction, at least these chemtrail pilots could be more creative with design lol.


Do you remember traffic noise from when you were a child? How has it changed?



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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This is the kind of thing I used to witness:




posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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Airplanes dumping fuels. Nothing to see hear. Happens all the time


You're right of course, nothing to see here (if you're blind)



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by The X
I agree the video does show spraying, it is quite obvious for those with eyes to see and with no agenda wht the plain and simple truth is. We are being attacked by our government, either intentionally or as collateral damage, from an ongoing chemical spraying that is banned under international law, and, the geneva convention.
In light of these facts i do not find it surprising there is a willing army of idiots prepared to go into bat for the government, to deny it at all costs, to paint anyone that believes in ti as a "Lunatic", well the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune comes to mind, this is certainly the kind of tactics the governments have used in the past to protect their dirty little world.
So many people, obviously, have little regard for their own families, their own children, and defend such criminal behaviour.
Truth is, by the time you guys have realised all along we were right, your kids will be suffering from the effects, they are being poisoned daily, and you are compliant in that.
Bet that makes you feel like a great parent huh?.



I've' always wondered about the pilots. So I consider two, no three scenarios.

One- these are drone planes controlled by Black Operatives who are soul-less to begin with.
Two- the pilots are told they're doing something good yet secretive (so not to cause alarm) to shield harmful rays
Three-the pilots are Manchurian candidate-like...... working on command.

Thanks for sharing and posting





Without agreeing or disagreeing about chemtrails, I wanted to say you've left out one important reason: There are people who will do anything if you wave enough money at them.
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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Without agreeing or disagreeing about chemtrails, you've left out one important reason: There are people who will do anything if you wave enough money at them.


Including making documentaries about things that don't exist.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
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If they have anti-gravity technology, why don't they use it? If they can manipulate the planet's weather patterns, why are there wildfires and hurricanes?

Do you remember traffic noise from when you were a child? How has it changed?


They are using anti gravity tech in their air-craft.. which is what 90% of "UFO" cases are, our government playing with their advanced toys they keep from society. The other part of that topic would be Extraterrestrial spacecraft but we dont need to get into that.. point is they are usin the tech and their is hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses of triangular craft hovering in the air, as well as disk shaped..

Japan Earthquake, the huge series of Tornadoes a several months ago, wildfires, hurricane Katrina etc... are all good candidates of them using weather manipulation..

Your traffic comment is lame, fail
I remeber contrails as a child, they would disapear as the jets would keep soaring high in the sky... now the trails extend widen, cover great distances and stay there for hours.. so they have obviously changed whatever comes out of those exhausts.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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I apologize for my coment towards you, had no idea of your credentials and experience, good for you mate


Have you ever been told by military officials to spread large lines across the sky all day? I hope that isnt part of your private flying ... because Im sick of seeing the blue skies raped by ugly white lines that wont go away. Regardless of chemtrails or whatever this arguement truly is about.. they are spraying something that is much different then what those jets use to have 'back in the day'.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:04 AM
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They are using anti gravity tech in their air-craft.. which is what 90% of "UFO" cases are, our government playing with their advanced toys they keep from society. The other part of that topic would be Extraterrestrial spacecraft but we dont need to get into that.. point is they are usin the tech and their is hundreds of thousands of eye witnesses of triangular craft hovering in the air, as well as disk shaped..


The whole point to a weapon is for your enemies to fear it.You cannot fear something if you do not know it exists. If a country had anti-gravity craft, they would fly them in formation over their national day parades. Think about it; did the US develop nuclear weapons and not tell anyone? Or did they use one as quickly as possible, even if it was not a military necessity?


Japan Earthquake, the huge series of Tornadoes a several months ago, wildfires, hurricane Katrina etc... are all good candidates of them using weather manipulation..


Or proof that no-one has the technology to stop earthquakes and tornadoes.


Your traffic comment is lame, fail I remeber contrails as a child, they would disapear as the jets would keep soaring high in the sky... now the trails extend widen, cover great distances and stay there for hours.. so they have obviously changed whatever comes out of those exhausts.


No; it is exactly to the point. What was the average pitch of traffic noise when you were a child? What was the volume at different times of the day or night? Were there seasonal variations? Was it markedly different during the Energy Crisis of the 1970s? If you can't answer these simple questions, how are we to trust your memory of what you think you saw in the sky?



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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Have you ever been told by military officials to spread large lines across the sky all day? I hope that isnt part of your private flying ... because Im sick of seeing the blue skies raped by ugly white lines that wont go away. Regardless of chemtrails or whatever this arguement truly is about.. they are spraying something that is much different then what those jets use to have 'back in the day'.


Nope, I've never been told to do it or not do it.


I agree that it is getting worse year by year, but that is because of increased air traffic, more flights, larger planes, more powerful engines, more complex curvature of aircraft frames, etc. Used to planes had wings, but more and more frequently the whole aircraft is being designed to be a wing, and carry more weight, and press ever faster, and all those things equal more contrails.

I also agree about the raping of our skies. The solution is to stop flying so damn much, stop buying stuff from China, stop shipping everything overnight, stop commuting to jobs 500 miles away, etc. We have to fix our consumer habits to fix the raping of the planet, including the skies.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus

Originally posted by Thorazine

Originally posted by dogstar23

...never leaving a Trail more than about 5x the apparent length of the plane.

I noticed the definite change around 95-96, i'm shocked more don't remember what contrails looked like before. I don't know what they're for, but I know they're not the same as the contrails we had for decades.


I have no doubt that is, in fact, what you remember. Is the human memory infallible?

What about others who have different memories?

What about other evidence such as decades of scientific research and decades of historical evidence that suggest your memory may not be an absolute?

What do you make of these photos dating back decades that contradict your memory?

contrailscience.com...

metabunk.org...


This is another common tactic used. The problem is that these memories come from specific areas and locations where these persistent contrails did not exist at that time. The types of contrails are now often being seen in areas that rarely, if ever, had them before.

Yes, persistent contrails may have existed in the past. But they did not exist in the areas we see them today. People's memories are correct and the evidence you provide to imply their memories are wrong is very misleading.

You being another new member to chime in with those websites is again very suspicious.


Common tactic? How about the common tactic of questioning my legitimacy simply because you think I am "new" and use handy reference sites?

People's memories are NOT always correct. That has been proven over and over in court cases for decades. The human memory is not perfect. A lot of people never noticed persistent trails in the sky until someone pointed them out to them and told them they were "chemtrails".

Persistent contrails DID exist in the past- they were not "rare"- the scientific literature is definitive proof that they were "common", "frequent" such that they merited study.

Moreover, their occurrence has proliferated such as one would expect with the proliferation of air travel. The FACT is there are now flight over areas that never used to see flyovers. The "hub and spoke" model of airline travel networks that have developed to accommodate 30,000+ flight PER DAY in the US mean that people who never saw contrails in the 70s and 80 now see them as new flight paths proliferate.

This is logical, factual and verifiable.

contrailscience.com...
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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Actually you're quite wrong. Air quality tests are not conducted that often. Certainly no where near 24/7 as you suggest.


And you would know that how? I worked for an environmental company - but I know competitors had similar systems. We had small unmanned trailers with satellite, and all the testing equipment on board. It was a unit that could be left anywhere and monitor non-stop. Results were transmitted via satellite back to the office - the result being as I said, 24/7 air quality testing. I DID work with chemists, geologists, and environmental specialist for 15 years. I saw the water and air testing equipment (and often had to help set these up on computer systems. We had multiple air quality stations - they never stopped running. We had equipment in wells, lakes, and water filtering stations. We had ice chests full of different soil samples that would crowd our storage rooms every single day. I don't think you have any clue how much actual testing gets done in the field, on a daily basis.


Will you please provide links and quotes from your sources that you say you have researched and studied. I prefer not to rely on just your opinion. Where is this 24/7 air sampling taking place? Where are the clean water tests?


I really don't care if you don't believe I worked for a fortune 500 environmental (and constructions and design) company. I certainly did however, and I saw it firsthand. I've provided data from validation tests we conducted. Every time something was out of whack with readings at a site, red flags would go up. This was a huge deal for the PMs on these projects, and to our clients. If there were massive amounts of anything being sprayed or dropped onto our cities, we would know, I guarantee it. Your idea that they drop minute amounts of already present pollution materials is laughable. Why? What would the point be? There is no point. Not that there every was a point for chemtrailer logic.

I was pretty good friends with the head of the chemistry department, we smoked many a cigar together - I asked him on one occasion when discussing conspiracy related topics if there was spraying done over our cities, if we would know. He laughed pretty hard - he had heard of the chemtrail theory and thought it was absolutely ridiculous. It was an unequivocal "No, it's not possible" response. So.. by all means, continue to wallow in your pit of fear and doom, thinking we are being dumped on by some clandestine operation. It's not happening.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
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Airplanes dumping fuels. Nothing to see hear. Happens all the time


Did you ever wonder: IF that were the explanation after all these years, why men and women, who hold impressive diplomas in higher education, waste their time trying to figure this out and find answers?

We have doctors, scientists and politicians just to name a few professions, who have devoted their time, researching and studying this relatively new phenomenon in our skies.
Now why would that be?
Too much free time on their hands? Too dumb to know the difference between innocent explanations over their heads? The need for attention however radical it may be?

Nah. By simple deduction, they're right and you're wrong.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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We research this subject for 2 main reasons: to find out the impact on climate and weather and, from a miltary perspective, to find ways of preventing contrails forming in the first place (and thus make it easier to 'hide' an aircraft)



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