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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Depression? Man, if depression means taking a nap after, then sure!




posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by elliotmtl

Originally posted by jonnywhite
I've also noted that my intellectual mind is disgusted by arousal. It's like there's two me's. One of them reads books and wears glasses and the other is pouring through porn books and has tattoos.


I know what you mean, but I don't like to separate the minds like that. Seems to lead to a form of schizophrenia for me, where sometimes I would spend half a day on a porn binge and then get disgusted with myself and delete it all and swear to be celibate for the rest of my life and then a week later do the same thing all over again. Such a waste of time and resources.

I prefer to stay in a more or less constant state of near arousal, by not having orgasms very often and staying healthy enough to keep my sex drive high. That way I am always in the same state of mind, and can dance between the intellectual parts of me and the instinctive parts on a moment-by-moment basis. It's like Banner's secret to controlling his anger: "I'm always angry". I prefer to integrate the disparate sections of my personality into a flowing single-minded entity.

Well, I've found that by abstaining from it I want it less and less. In the past, when I was younger, I went through what you're going through. I know how it goes. The trick is in how you abstain. I managed to abstain by doing things I don't normally do. They kept my mind interested and my more base instincts were left alone. But more than all that, for the past few years my critical attention on this matter continually ate away at the ground instinct had gained in the past. With concerted (conscious) effort, I regained some of the land instinct had stolen from me. And now I'm tryign to rebuild my place and I can hear the whispers and screams from the wilds. It keeps me vigilant. I do not want to lose what I've regained and I think the fact that I'm 35 now and not 25 is in my favor because my sex drive is not as strong and my wisdom has become a more formidable force.

The mind has to be reprogrammed, like you say. But reprogramming a 25 year old mind to steer clear of the badlands is not easy to do. Plus, their pool of experience is so small. It takes years to change a person and it's gradual, almost never immediate. When we enter into middle age we lose some of our youthful body and its flesh desires, but our conscious mind acquires more licenses and permits to ownership in the process. Some of it's not changeable since aging is a dominant factor and we're forced to adjust to it, but I think it's important not to miss the role our conscious mind plays in all this. The conscious mind improves with time, generally. We gain more knowledge as we age. Our brain will age and our opinions will become outdated if we cannot keep pace with the world, all true. But we cannot be all-knowing at 25 years old and thus override our instincts with greater consistency. It takes time to learn and to acquire the ability to override dumb instinctual desires.

The fact that I feel like I'm finally gaining ground on it might be an indicator of just how terribly I've failed to attain victory in a timely way. I'm sure some people achieve this sort of victory when they're 25. So maybe it's just my feeble attempt at a parade. I know that this is a small thing.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by elliotmtl

Originally posted by MrUncreated
I only get depressed because it's over. And I get depressed when I don't get it often enough, which is about every 3-4 hours.


Hmm...I suppose there is nothing better to do in a FEMA camp...


But seriously (if you were serious, I can't tell), I can't even do that much, I'm practically incapable of enjoying it again for at least half a day after an orgasm, sometimes several days. Even if I mechanically force sexual activity (which I've done, for research and experimental purposes
), it physically works, but I get almost no pleasure from it. I almost hate the very idea of sex during that period, like my brain is physically incapable of producing any more pleasure, which lends support to my theory unless I am misinterpreting the sensations.


Well, I wasn't serious about the every 3-4 hours. On some days, I probably could swing that. I guess I have always had an above average sex drive. I have no idea why. I think my woman finds it to be both funny and sad. Do I get depressed after? No. I don't think so. I get depressed if it doesn't happen, especially if a long time has passed. But I feel pathetic when I have to ask for it.

Sometimes I think it is a sad part of being human. If you think about it... what is the purpose of sex? Most people would say: to procreate. What is the purpose of procreation? To continue the existence of the species... but why? Sometimes it feels like we're all slaves, and this is a program to keep us producing more and more, forever. But it is the most pleasant experience of being human. Seems like a devious trap to me. I guess I find that to be depressing. The possibility that this is a prison, and we cannot escape from it, and there are many devices which trap us here, reincarnating, over and over, forever.

And what happens when you find a loophole, such a birth control? The Catholics freak the **** out, that's what. They're in on it, you see.

Yes, I am insane.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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It's normal because it's supposed to work that way


Naturally, the male and female secrete oxytocin after having sex and releasing semen into the vaginal wall.

You get sleepy so that a bond can be formed. This is generally the beginning of "love".

Also, you must differentiate between orgasm while copulating, or masturbating.

The vaginal wall is specifically sensitive to the penis, and vice versa when orgasming.

If it's via masturbation, different neurochemicals are released!

If you get tired after having sex, the likely cause is normal testosterone levels. If you DON'T get tired after sex, there is likely something wrong with your T or ability to produce adequate oxytocin.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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The purpose....in my opinion...was to grow the species, create diversity, and allow us to experience the pleasure of creative acts.

But in that I speak of procreative sex acts...I think there are other kinds too. Sexual activity, if slowed down and refocused from goal-oriented orgasm-pursuit to meditative love-based moment-by-moment pleasure, can be a bridge to deeper relationships with loved ones, the self, and the divine within. But that sort of activity requires a deliberate rising above instincts, because the instincts say to "get off" as soon as you can, because the instincts are to grow the species.

I don't think this planet is a prison, I think its an experiment. But this is just my personal, also insane opinion and has very little to do with the subject of the thread



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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The value that the bonding gives to the relationship probably more than compensates for the consumption of neurotransmitters during the act of copulation. This is probably especially true for couples with families that have to look after their kids and be reliable for years after. I've really little doubt in my mind that if you removed this component of bonding and the accompanying meaning of the sexual relationship that the losses would outdo the gains and instead of talking about masturbation in a negative way we'd also be talking about all forms of sex in a negative way.

See, sex ain't free. It doesn't matter how it happens. It consumes something. There must be gains to compensate for the losses if the activity is to be beneficial to the person(s) involved.

So in light of all that I agree with you.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions
Naturally, the male and female secrete oxytocin after having sex and releasing semen into the vaginal wall.


Oxytocin is released in all orgasms regardless of couple or solo sex. It can be a greater amount in couple sex, but I think that's more psychological than a reaction to the release of semen. I can increase the release of oxytocin simply by imagining a loving relationship with a partner while masturbating, as opposed to imagining some lustful scenario, or nothing.


You get sleepy so that a bond can be formed. This is generally the beginning of "love".

How does getting sleepy produce a bond? I would think it would normally do the opposite.


Also, you must differentiate between orgasm while copulating, or masturbating.

The vaginal wall is specifically sensitive to the penis, and vice versa when orgasming.

If it's via masturbation, different neurochemicals are released!


I've yet to see any actual evidence of this theory. I personally dislike the idea because it implies that heterosexual monogamy is deliberately woven into our DNA, unlike every other species on the planet. It may very well be true, but I don't like it. Love should be a freewill choice, not forced by our brains. In my opinion.


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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by elliotmtl

Originally posted by unityemissions
Naturally, the male and female secrete oxytocin after having sex and releasing semen into the vaginal wall.


Oxytocin is released in all orgasms regardless of couple or solo sex. It can be a greater amount in couple sex, but I think that's more psychological than a reaction to the release of semen. I can increase the release of oxytocin simply by imagining a loving relationship with a partner while masturbating, as opposed to imagining some lustful scenario, or nothing.


I have no clue if this is true or not. Maybe you are correct. I read this from a source at least a few years ago, and have no clue how to find it, but will dig a bit.


Originally posted by elliotmtl

You get sleepy so that a bond can be formed. This is generally the beginning of "love".

How does getting sleepy produce a bond? I would think it would normally do the opposite.


Seriously? You hump, you feel lovey dovey, and you fall asleep on top of each other, or spoon. That is the bond in action! I'm sure pheromones are involved as well.


Originally posted by elliotmtl

Also, you must differentiate between orgasm while copulating, or masturbating.

The vaginal wall is specifically sensitive to the penis, and vice versa when orgasming.

If it's via masturbation, different neurochemicals are released!


I've yet to see any actual evidence of this theory. I personally dislike the idea because it implies that heterosexual monogamy is deliberately woven into our DNA, unlike every other species on the planet. It may very well be true, but I don't like it. Love should be a freewill choice, not forced by our brains. In my opinion.


Again, I can't back it up at the moment with a link, but will dig for one.
Just because you may get more oxytocin from filling of the vag, doesn't mean it's the only means for this to occur. Who knows, maybe the same happens with anal?! I wouldn't know.

It seems obvious to me that heterosexual monogamy is woven into the DNA of most individuals. Some are naturally sexually deviant.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by unityemissions

How does getting sleepy produce a bond? I would think it would normally do the opposite.

Seriously? You hump, you feel lovey dovey, and you fall asleep on top of each other, or spoon. That is the bond in action! I'm sure pheromones are involved as well.


I'm sure this is the way its supposed to work, but it doesn't for me or many others I've heard from or read about.
Which goes back to the malformed receptor theory. Maybe its not just dopamine, but serotonin and oxytocin receptors as well. Perhaps this is part of why people have such different experiences with sexuality, such as is evidenced in this very conversation. The sleepiness i feel is not lovey dovey. Its deadening and empty and cold, even if its actual copulation with someone I care for.

But maybe it has nothing to do with neurochemicals. Maybe its all imaginary. Or maybe it has to do with blocked chakras, if you're into such things.



It seems obvious to me that heterosexual monogamy is woven into the DNA of most individuals. Some are naturally sexually deviant.


I'm a fiercely independent and creative sort of person and don't really like the idea that heterosexual monogamy is woven into my DNA. I don't want it to be. I want to decide for myself how I use my sexuality. When I was younger I believed in heterosexual monogamy and acted accordingly (crushes, falling in love, wanting to marry), but life experiences have led me to eventually dislike the whole idea for various mental and emotional reasons.

But of course, intellectually speaking, heterosexual monogamy would make the most sense if the world functioned the way it seems to have originally been supposed to.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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It not only makes the most sense, we have records of it going far, far, far back.

To my knowledge, heterosexual monogomy was only deviated from in any significant numbers after the desertification of the SaharAsia region around ~11,000BC.

There's an awesome book you may want to check out, called....Saharasia!
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posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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If your orgasms are making you depressed, I am sorry to tell you this, but you are doing it wrong.





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