Analysis: Obamacare to cost $2.6 trillion over first full decade, page 3

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reply posted on 13-7-2012 @ 10:26 AM by Eurisko2012

reply to post by TheTardis

If you don't pay the fine, nothing happens.

The enforcement mechanism was taken out. No one goes to jail.

reply posted on 13-7-2012 @ 10:32 AM by TheTardis

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by TheTardis

If you don't pay the fine, nothing happens.

The enforcement mechanism was taken out. No one goes to jail.

I thought the IRS would be able to audit you and make your life hell if you didn't. And someone like me that typically gets a descent tax return will not have a choice.

reply posted on 13-7-2012 @ 10:38 AM by SeekerofTruth101

$2.6 Trillion for the 1st 10 years.

That would be about $260 billion per year, if basing on the newer estimates by others.

Consider then, how much will it cost the National Debt if there was NO Healthcare, with more prefering to remain single with an ageing population that is living longer?

The issue is not about the rise costs, as it will ALWAYS rise naturally over time.

The issues are:-
1 ) to bring the medical care costs down as much as possible,
2) American workers get better living wages through productivity, technology and creativity, and
3) maintain a healthy lifestyle to lower premiums ( not necessarily monk's lifestyle)

There are no problems we mankind cannot solve if we use our heads, instead of fighting one another for political games that only politicians and their corporate partners gain but not the People.

reply posted on 13-7-2012 @ 10:47 AM by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by TheTardis

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by TheTardis

If you don't pay the fine, nothing happens.

The enforcement mechanism was taken out. No one goes to jail.

I thought the IRS would be able to audit you and make your life hell if you didn't. And someone like me that typically gets a descent tax return will not have a choice.

Will the IRS audit you if you make $15,000 a year and work in retail?

Only the rich pay taxes.

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ObamaCare will be repealed January 2013.

We just need to be ready with a good replacement.

reply posted on 14-7-2012 @ 04:17 AM by OccamsRazor04

reply to post by Eurisko2012

The only sustainable way to go is single payer. That or allow hospitals to deny people without insurance. Since the latter won't happen the former must.

reply posted on 14-7-2012 @ 04:27 AM by The Sword

reply to post by Eurisko2012

And how do we do better?

By continuing to allow insurance companies to stick twigs up our asses while they count their profits, aka, our premiums?

No thanks.

reply posted on 14-7-2012 @ 04:29 AM by The Sword

reply to post by Eurisko2012

I don't think you even read any of the links that go into depth on ACA.

You just keep repeating fright-wing fears over socialism and ACA costing us money.

How does this help ATS?

reply posted on 14-7-2012 @ 10:20 AM by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Eurisko2012

The only sustainable way to go is single payer. That or allow hospitals to deny people without insurance. Since the latter won't happen the former must.

Canada has single payer. It's working so well that they are running to 15 Medical

Tourism companies and flying down to Texas to get surgery. That's okay. We are

happy to help out the socialists up there.

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The Emergency Rooms deny care to no one in the USA.

Our solution will include tort reform.

You will also be allowed to buy insurance across state lines.

Our solution will have more freedom and no Death Panels.

reply posted on 17-7-2012 @ 09:33 PM by OccamsRazor04

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Eurisko2012

The only sustainable way to go is single payer. That or allow hospitals to deny people without insurance. Since the latter won't happen the former must.

Canada has single payer. It's working so well that they are running to 15 Medical

Tourism companies and flying down to Texas to get surgery. That's okay. We are

happy to help out the socialists up there.

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The Emergency Rooms deny care to no one in the USA.

Our solution will include tort reform.

You will also be allowed to buy insurance across state lines.

Our solution will have more freedom and no Death Panels.

That's nice of you to have no idea what you are talking about, but talk anyways. Here are some questions, how much is the U.S. spending on Healthcare Vs. Canada? Which country has a HIGHER level of government spending in Healthcare, the US or Canada? Which country has a higher life expectancy? Which country had a higher ranked healthcare system? Thanks.

reply posted on 17-7-2012 @ 10:13 PM by pavil

reply to post by xuenchen

I don't think we have a true number as to what it will cost. I don't seem premiums for insurance declining, nor costs for care. If anything, I would imagine both to keep on climbing higher than the rate of inflation. More people using our healthcare system will not bring costs down....quite the opposite.

Put it this way....if the government is giving you a number......you probably need to double it to get a semi accurate number. When has our government ever overestimated the cost of a program?

reply posted on 17-7-2012 @ 10:47 PM by garythegrey

Originally posted by Sinny
2.7 Trillion....

Is that even a lot these days?

I see these figures thrown around *so* much,

Money has lost all worth in my eyes.

Like saying a word over and over until it eventually looses meaning. (Sigh)

Hey what a great plan! You've gotta get on the phone and call Greece up. They'll probably be stoked to learn that all the trouble they've been having can just be ignored