DEMS manipulated the ON-line polls after debates!

Mass e-mails and directions to erase cookies?


I cant wait to actually see the results of the scientific polls, In my opionion, Cheney won hands down and most of the polls (legit) will probaly agree.

I think that Kerry bested Bush also so I am honest..


Someone in another thread posted that a MASS e-mail went out telling folks to go vote multiple times right after the debate.

If someone has this e-mail, do you have the balls to post it? I think it would bring good conversation!

This would apply to a rebublican e-mail also......

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"DEMS manipulated the ON-line polls after VP debate!"

You have a link supporting this, or is it just opinion?

I believe it. The poll results weren't making sense. Initial results were pretty much a slam dunk for Cheney and then within hours Edwards appeared to cream Cheney.

A friend of mine also reported getting an email telling her to vote multiple times, erase cookies, etc. She's checking to see if she still has the email so that I can post it.

Something is fishy, that's for sure.

Jemison

Haven't Freepers been doing this for awhile?

I get easily a hundred pieces of junk mail a day between my email accounts and I have NEVER gotten an email on manipulating a poll or anything. I get tons about Viagra and crap like that. But nothing like what you talk about. This doesn't mean that some idiot hasn't written a script to vote bomb the sites. I've seen two polls that I thought may have been manipulated either way. One showed Edwards winning by a wide margin and one showed Cheney winning by an equally large margin. While a 3rd site showed Edwards winning by 1 point. If you throw out the score from the East German judge you have basically an even result.

Originally posted by edsinger
Someone in another thread posted that a MASS e-mail went out telling folks to go vote multiple times right after the debate.

If someone has this e-mail, do you have the balls to post it? I think it would bring good conversation!

This would apply to a rebublican e-mail also......

[edit on 7-10-2004 by edsinger]

Internet Activism is nothing new. Freepers are notorious for it if they didn't outright invent it. (Though I never heard about erasing cookies... does that work?)

Honestly, most Dem blogs steal the list of polls from FreeRepublic or change the e-mails we get. Any worthwhile political activist get's the oppositions mailing.

This hit the Dem blogs on the 5th from the Bush campaign mailings.

Melhman wakes up
by kos
Tue Oct 5th, 2004 at 17:17:48 GMT

I wrote in my Guardian column today that the Bush campaign would make adjustments from its spin performance last week, and wouldn't be caught flat-footed again. It looks like I was right.
Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman blasted this out to its email list this morning:

Dear XXX,
The debate tonight presents a tremendous opportunity for the campaign to attract undecided voters, but people's perceptions are shaped as much by their conversations around the water cooler as by the debates themselves.

The Vice President's goal is to do what he's been doing throughout this election: explain to the American people why the President's policies are right for America and the world we live in today - in fighting the war on terror, in keeping our economy growing and in responding to the new challenges of the 21st century.

After last week's debate, the Kerry campaign spin machine managed to mask their candidate's flip-flops on the war in Iraq, imposition of a "global test" for protecting America, and repeated denigration of our troops and allies.

If we plan to win the election, we must fight back against their spin and make sure our friends and neighbors get the truth.

We need your help tonight!

Visit www.GeorgeWBush.com/DebateFacts tonight during the debate so you will have the facts. Print and share them with your friends.

Immediately after the debate, visit online polls, chat rooms, and discussion boards and make your voice heard. The major news networks will all have internet polls after the debate. Make sure you vote in polls on:

MSNBC.com
FoxNews.com
ABCNews.com
CNN.com
and even CBS.

Make sure swing state voters know why you support the President by sharing your thoughts on message boards in target states.

Call Talk Radio shows in your area.
Write letters to the editors of your local papers.
Visit Chat rooms on AOL, MSN, and Yahoo!
Send this message to 5 friends using the form at the bottom of this page.

Beyond tonight, you should return to these forums in the coming days and make your voice heard and your support for the President known.

If someone asks you a question about the President, direct them to the campaign's website, www.GeorgeWBush.com. It has lots of information on the President's Agenda for America (www.GeorgeWBush.com/Agenda) and the President's record of accomplishment (www.GeorgeWBush.com/Record).

We have said before, there is no better messenger for this campaign than you. There is also no more powerful medium for political discussion. As one of our online activists, you realize that.

Make your voice heard by completing the actions above.

We caught them off guard last week, in their moment of pompocity and arrogance. Now we're playing on equal footing, so it's doubly important we all engage.

It got forwarded all over the place I'm sure with changes, not to mention jokes about our pompocity and arrogance.

But the cookie thing notwithstanding, self selected polls are self selecting...not scientific.

Anyone with any sense knows what's going on and uses them to measure party ground game.

And frankly the Democrats are kicking Freeper butt this year.

But with some polls going 100,000 to 20,000 for Edwards knowing Republicans got the same list. There's more to this than partisanship.

People like Edwards. They don't like Cheney. Get over it.

BTW.... The system may allow you to vote again but it may not count in the totals. I would think that in order to prevent cheating they have place a 1 vote limit per IP address. You can delete cookies all you want in that case. It won't make a difference.

Originally posted by Jemison
I believe it. The poll results weren't making sense. Initial results were pretty much a slam dunk for Cheney and then within hours Edwards appeared to cream Cheney.

A friend of mine also reported getting an email telling her to vote multiple times, erase cookies, etc. She's checking to see if she still has the email so that I can post it.

Something is fishy, that's for sure.

Jemison

thanks , I hope someone has it!

Originally posted by RANT
People like Edwards. They don't like Cheney. Get over it.

Call me crazy, but I DON'T like Edwards...at all. Maybe I prejudged because he is an attorney. Maybe I think him capable of doing whatever it took to go from V-P to Prez if Kerry got in.
And really, if you were in a tight spot and needed help, would you want an attorney-turned-senator or Mr Cheney? I take Cheney hands down in a heartbeat. Warts and all.

Originally posted by RANT

This would apply to a rebublican e-mail also......


People like Edwards. They don't like Cheney. Get over it.

Well I figured the republicans did the same thing and congrats for being the first to post one. Its funny!


As for edwards, I do not believe that per say but BUsh will win the election and Cheney will be there 4 more years!


Thanks m8!

The polls don't matter anyways. Online polls are subject to bias regardless of coordinated campaigns. What ultimately matters is what happens on Nov. 2.

I constantly look at polls on Fox News online and MSNBC.com and its pretty obvious what people's political persuasions are that visit the sites. A poll on Fox for one's choice of president, for example, will have a majority going for Bush and one on MSNBC.com will generally have it going for Kerry.

I pay no attention to online polls connected to news sites because of this. Phone surveys, if done correctly, can give a general sense of what's going on but they are flawed as well.

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Is it just possible that there are a large number of people who simply don't share your viewpoint, edsinger?

Edwards showed energy, hope and optimism.
Cheney showed fatigue, pessimism and doom.

If you want to support tired old cynical politics that is your choice, but don't be too suprised if many other people don't agree.
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Originally posted by slank
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Is it just possible that there are a large number of people who simply don't share your viewpoint, edsinger?

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For sure! See at least I know that more hold my view than not. Bush will win. The sanity of voting for an EXTREME LIBERAL TAX HEAVT democrat weak on defense just doesnt make sense...


I know most here dont hold my views, I am by far in the minority. I mean place is full of UFO's man........

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe

Originally posted by RANT
People like Edwards. They don't like Cheney. Get over it.

Call me crazy, but I DON'T like Edwards...at all. Maybe I prejudged because he is an attorney. Maybe I think him capable of doing whatever it took to go from V-P to Prez if Kerry got in.
And really, if you were in a tight spot and needed help, would you want an attorney-turned-senator or Mr Cheney? I take Cheney hands down in a heartbeat. Warts and all.

And we STILL LIKE YOU, even though you'd take a devil wearing your team colors over a saint wearing the other teams! What happens to your opinion of him when a new Attorney General takes charge, along with a new SEC chairman, and Uncle Dick gets arrested?

Originally posted by Bout Time
What happens to your opinion of him when a new Attorney General takes charge, along with a new SEC chairman, and Uncle Dick gets arrested?

Uh how many times has the Bush Administration been under indictment? Clinton after 4 years?


Point-set-match!

Why do you bring up Clinton in so many posts Edsinger? YOu seem to have an infatuation with him or something. Last I checked good ol Billy boy was not in the political game, and not running for president. Live in the present and future, not the past.

Cheers

p.s. I still have this funny feeling you are either Bush or Cheney ;-)