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Have the major Gov' of the world already surrendered to ET ?

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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 07:52 PM
We can't assume than an entire alien species would be out to get us. Humans are diverse in their personalities. But it seems always that the people in power are selfish, have a superiority complex, and lack empathy for the suffering of others. They only care about their own agenda, and will lie, cheat, steal and murder to achieve their goals. Are you different than that? I know that I am. So why would an entire alien species share the same goal?

It is probably their own 1%, the ones with all the wealth and power. That is assuming this is true. I would just about believe anything these days. I just had a discussion a while ago with my better half, about how I find it beyond belief that all the people in power can be the way they are. She came back at me with "duality", you know, "the balance". But I think the balance is in all of us, not separate. That is, we can't have pure good and pure evil in an individual, we aren't solid black or solid white. That excuse doesn't cut it for me. All the people in power have the ability to change the world for the better, but what it comes down to is gaining more wealth, more power, and oppressing everyone else. Does that make sense to you? I cannot fathom that manner of thinking. I just couldn't do that to people. I don't understand how they could do it, either. What's a good explanation? They aren't human! Makes sense to me. But I wish we had definite proof.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 07:55 PM
reply to post by Unidentified_Objective

I really don't care what you believe . You mean nothing to me . Tomorrow , I will wake , go to work , come home , have dinner and then go to bed and so on and so on .
I have put my ideas out there if you choose not to believe them , that is your right . Feel better now ? ..... Good .

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:00 PM
reply to post by dawnprince

Interesting perspective and informative research on the subject. We really won't know the truth until it hits us like a hammer.

The question I have, there's also been documentation that there are more than 1 race visiting this planet besides the greys. Where do they fit in and whose side are they on?

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:02 PM
Let me pose a hypothetical question: Assume that you are POTUS ("Leader of the free world", Eisenhower or any other US President) and assume that a meeting with an alien envoy was arranged and they made you (mankind) a proposition (not quite Godfather-like, but close); Let us guide you in developing the technology to create a world wide control grid to enslave and exterminate 90% of the world's population and we will save you and those in political power (Vichy-esque) who support our agenda and agree to remain subservient OR we will exterminate the entire planet and wipe out the human race for eternity as we have to power to do so if we chose. What would you do? (this could even be a tangential thread).

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:05 PM
I dunno. If we are already enslaved by a superior alien race they sure aren't doing any "enslavey" stuff. No soylent green factories, no planetary core mining, no slave camps, no anything really. This has to be the nicest enslavement ever.

I know some of you are going to chime in and say these things are really happening, just small scale and hidden. If that is the case then, logically, the Aliens aren't all powerful. If we really had no chance, the Aliens wouldn't care if we knew. They wouldn't work with our leaders. They'd put a boot on our necks and then exploit us, farm us, or whatever, on a massive brutal scale. There would have to be a compelling reason why they would keep their activities small and hidden - what could they possibly be afraid of? The logical answer is that we could do something about it if we knew. Hence the secrecy.

But that's a big if.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:06 PM

Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by dawnprince

Interesting perspective and informative research on the subject. We really won't know the truth until it hits us like a hammer.

The question I have, there's also been documentation that there are more than 1 race visiting this planet besides the greys. Where do they fit in and whose side are they on?

Thank you for your reply . As to other reported races , I sadly cannot comment . It would be nice to know that we have somebody on our side , if needed

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:21 PM
If an Alien race had its eyes on our planet..
Might it need to tweak the atmosphere(chemtrails)? Very likely
Might it need to alter the inhabitants in some way(mass vaccination)? Very likely
Might it need to tweak the food source of the inhabitants(GMO), to make the inhabitants...tasty? Very likely
Might it need to create a one world government to make the herding easy? Very likely

I sincerely hope your entire OP is wrong, otherwise it dont look good for us humans

Good post OP. very thought provoking.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:26 PM
reply to post by dawnprince

Firstly, I would love nothing more than to prove one way or another that there are et's around earth. Now saying that, and after reading your post. I haven't watched the links as my internet is slow at best. But can you elaborate on the points below pleae? Respectfully


Proof please? re:

....................Its primary purpose was to decipher the alien communications and language and establish a dialogue with the aliens. This task was Codenamed SIGMA.

................... Later evidence proved that the objects could only be spaceships.

.................... was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet.

To silversurfer No, I'm not a debunker, but neither am I someone who will accept statements without evidence.

To screwed re "I would have to agree with everything you said because it mirrors my own research and experience with one exception." Maybe if dawnprince can't provide proof for the above, maybe you can help out then please?

and re "I believe that their hands are tied until such time as we collectively decide to help ourselves.
10% is all they need. " Where did you get this magical number?

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:47 PM
I have often thought about if the world had been forced into surrender by the ETs. Or if we were infiltrated by the ETs also. For example when there are witnesses to a crashed UFO and the military shows up and tells the people they didn't see anything. Then the military denies it. Maybe it wasn't the military at all. So there really is no record of it. It also seems as if all the countries of the world are in on the coverup. I think they would have had no choice other than surrender. One thing I've always wondered if UFO sightings correlated with diseases. It seems for instance polio had serious epidemics during the 1940's and 1950's peaking in 1952. UFO sightings increased in the same years. Project sign 1948, Project Grudge, Project Bluebook 1951- . 1952 was the big Washington. D.C. sightings. Was this because of contact with ET's? Maybe this would be proof of contact.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 08:47 PM
okay first i wanna say great post
secondly i think you're on the right track and if this was true i would see a small issue
the grey's with their technology would be smart enough to realize they could enslave earth if they wanted to
so the treaty seems kinda pointless if it was a surrender
maybe and i'm just talking without any proof or anything
but maybe the treaty was a way for the grey's to get info about us free from, lets say free from intergalactic laws
i don't know i mean if you learn anything from the past is that when the american wanted land from the natives
they did it either by force or screwing them over

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:06 PM
This all reminds me of the very chilling end to "Genes, Giants Monsters & Men" by Joseph P. Farrell- he said

"The bad news is, they may be coming back..."

Perhaps this all fits together and "they" already have returned, or perhaps never left at all.

That book scared the hell out of me (I strongly recommend reading it !)

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 09:44 PM
If we were smart we would surrender until we learned enough about their tech to put up a fight. Like Dr. Michio Kaku said Hollywood has gotten us to believe a line of bull. They always show it to be like the battle of David vs Goliath where humanity always wins over hostile aliens. It would be more like Godzilla vs Bambi. If a species is capable of traveling interstellar space they would have no problem wiping us out.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 10:03 PM
As soon as I saw the words MJ12 I quit reading. MJ12 was a fraud or disinformation put out by the government and members of the Air Force OSI(Office of Special Investigations). And the YouTube videos you pasted were pretty loony. Yes I'm sure they're crashed UFOs and alien bodies/ tech in govt hands and a group like MJ12 but the group itself and the documents are pure bunk.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 11:51 PM
Great original post, thanks for taking the time to collate the information together. The sequence of events you have provided are indeed difficult to debunk. Sometimes proof hides in plain site for all to see, trouble is, it's only the few that see it. There is far too much information to collect into one thread, but I believe your summary is a good one. We only know what the government wants to tell us and that in itself is only about 0.000000000001%. We as a world community know nothing. The glimpses we catch and record are only the tip of a very very large iceberg.
I for one look forward to the day we have complete disclosure, but until that day I'll keep looking for myself.

posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 11:53 PM
OP, your premise is plausible, but your timeline is wrong. Eisenhower did not form MJ12. Truman did. Forrestal died in 1949, two years after Truman signed by XO Majestic (Majic) into existence. Eisenhower may have met with aliens at a western airbase in the mid fifties.

A lot of things would make sense if we were "controlled" by extraterrestrials, but there are other extenuating circumstances that preclude this premise. We are basically controlled by greedy, mean, heartless, selfish and other adjectives not allowed here - men - who were born on this planet and will die here, too.

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 12:19 AM
reply to post by dawnprince

This in turn gave rise to the super secret National Security Agency by secret Executive Order on November 4,1952. Its primary purpose was to decipher the alien communications and language and establish a dialogue with the aliens. This task was Codenamed SIGMA.
In 1953 astronomers discovered large objects in space which were moving towards Earth. It was first believed that they were asteroids. Later evidence proved that the objects could only be spaceships. Project Sigma intercepted alien radio communication. When the objects reached the Earth they took up a very high orbit around the equator. There were several huge ships, and their actual intent was unknown. Project Sigma, and a new project, Plato, through radio communications using the computer binary language, was able to arrange a landing that resulted in face to face contact with alien beings from another planet. Project Plato was tasked with establishing diplomatic relations with this alien race of space aliens.
I would like to see more links substantiating this portion of your post. Good thread btw.
edit on 13/7/2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 01:25 AM
For all we know the entire government has been ran by aliens for the last few decades i mean look at are economy look at are strange weather could they be causing it are they trying to kill us off , or are they here to save us from something time will tell and are time is running short

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 02:12 AM
reply to post by dawnprince

Even though I agree with your general consensus.. I was immediately turned off when you started making words up.

eg: "psychically, and dimensionally superior to us"

I think you mean mentally superior. And as for dimensionally superior.. Well that doesn't even make sense lol. What you mean to say is they can manipulate time/space and travel through various dimensions. You can't say they're dimensionally superior to us, even if that did make sense we have not even mastered the most basic of laws concerning inter-dimensional travel so there's no comparison. Most scientists refuse to even acknowledge the subject/theory.


Having gotten that off my chest, I did like most of the content in your OP.

I like the fact that you referred to the treaty as a negotiated surrender. I never really thought about it in great detail, but that is definitely what it was!

No matter how many decorated ex-military persons you get coming forward straight out admitting to a lot of the stuff we hear about and often new info, the skeptics still won't take it as proof, I'm sorry to say

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 02:46 AM
MJ12 documents are unproven, SIGMA is unproven ...

You have a theory based on things that are unproven ...

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 03:01 AM
The trouble with threads like these is that NO ONE can proved anything either way when it comes to the meaty part of the thread.

With secrecy being what it is you don't really expect documents that would prove the government has a serious black agenda would EVER be made known no matter what freedom of information act was in place, simply put, if they don't want you to know you WON'T know.

And there in lies the dilemma, arguments of papers and meetings with only hearsay and mildly related evidence.

The things we do know..

The government HAS discussed the UFO situation, it has discussed if there are aliens and what their agenda is.

There ARE objects and craft that we the ordinary man have no clue about,

People have claimed to have met aliens but there's simply no non arguable proof of this.

The things we (the ordinary person) don't know:

Who owns these craft.

Their agenda

The governments secrets and what is kept from us.

I'm a believer, it may not come across like that but I refuse to be swayed by non backed up arguments either way, I refuse to be berated by either side into taking something as fact without proof, I look with my own eye's and use what little brain I have to try and decipher the BS.

I'm pretty sure we have been visited at times, I'm pretty sure some religions have a basis on these visits, I'm pretty sure there's a lot more to 9/11 than we know (ok on that one I'll be more direct, there IS a lot more than we know as a lot of it is locked away as above top secret), I believe the Reagan remark about an attacking races was not a clue or a disclosure but merely a topical (80's sci fi and love of Aliens) comment of the times.

The trouble is that what I believe and what I know to be a fact are often miles apart simply because of no evidence, and that is the problem with threads like this, we can throw youtube video's around all we like and its going to prove nothing, we can say the CIA said XYZ and all we know is they said it, it does not make it the truth.

The numbers and science say its unlikely we are alone in the solar systems, the numbers say that we cannot believe to be the most advanced of any races (we certainly prove we are not daily across the world), the chances are we have been visited, chances, not numbers...

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