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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jhill76
 


Sorry, but I don't buy that. All you have to do is tell what you know. You don't have to give your identity away to spread the truth.


Now you are changing the question. You asked:


just tell me how you know this


I hold no emotion, to you believing what I stated or not. This is not my task here, to get others to believe. I offered the information, it is up to you, what you do with it. This is why I did not want to go down this road. I will end it here.




posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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To elaborate shortly, I was online looking at famous philosophical quotes and came across the quote 'as above, so below' and for some reason that quote really struck a cord with me,


Colossians 2:8

8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The thoughts of God are not the thoughts of man. That's why there's a difference in terms between man's knowledge and God's knowledge. Remember, the Bible says that Satan corrupted his own wisdom.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by FOXMULDER147
 


You implied that consciousness started at the big bang, but what I said implies that consciousness has no beginning nor end.

No I didn't.

I have very clearly stated [three times] that there was no consciousness at the time of the Big Bang.
I have no idea why you are under the impression I implied "consciousness started at the big bang"...

The gist of this thread is that God IS consciousness.
That being the hypothesis, my question is - very simply - where was God when nothing was conscious (such as at the time of the Big Bang)?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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That being the hypothesis, my question is - very simply - where was God when nothing was conscious (such as at the time of the Big Bang)?


He was always there.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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Originally posted by jhill76
He was always there.

Fine. Then he's not consciousness.

Glad we've cleared that up.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by FOXMULDER147

Originally posted by jhill76
He was always there.

Fine. Then he's not consciousness.

Glad we've cleared that up.


I have not followed this thread, nor how others state that Father is consciousness on here. Can you give a quick brief overview of these claims?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You implied that consciousness started at the big bang, but what I said implies that consciousness has no beginning nor end.


If you go back to the very first verse of Genesis, what does it say?

Genesis 1:1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

The heaven spoken of here is our universe, so obviously it had a beginning.

You keep trying to say that the universe is the kingdom of God, but it's not.

God's kingdom is above the universe.

And no, the universe is not made up of consciousness.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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You said that you believe that there was a time where there was no consciousness, that implies that there was a beginning of this something because nothing turning into something implies a beginning.

What I am saying is that the big bang, the singularity, was not nothing, it was everything condensed, changing from its previous form. 'Nothing' has never existed, that is the definition of nothing, that which does not exist.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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But the bible says we go to heaven after we die. If you agree that the universe is heaven that means you agree it is the kingdom OF god meaning that god and heaven (a.k.a. the universe) are the same, which means god is not separate from his kingdom. The bible even states that god is always with you, because you are always with the universe and the universe is always with you.

Just as Jesus says in the bible, you must be 'born again' (reincarnated) to enter heaven (the universe).
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Sorry, but that is a complete cop out if I have ever seen one.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by jhill76
 


Sorry, but that is a complete cop out if I have ever seen one.


No. I will not derail this thread and speak on self.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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Well if you are the one who knows all, always has been, and seen all, who you are and what you know is very relevant to this thread. You imply that you are god himself, and the topic of this thread is on what god is.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:36 PM
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You imply that you are god himself, and the topic of this thread is on what god is.


I am not Father. One does not have to be Father to see and observe all.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Yet you are claiming to know what only god is supposed to know. I do not believe you, sorry. You have to prove it somehow, just saying you know proves nothing.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Yet you are claiming to know what only god is supposed to know. I do not believe you, sorry. You have to prove it somehow, just saying you know proves nothing.


Or, only above is supposed to know. You are assigning parameters that above somehow must abide by. If man doesn't have information, it doesn't mean only Father can know of it.

As I have given before, I am not here to get you to believe, far from my task.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:49 PM
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Only above is supposed to know? If that's the case, why are you offering me, someone not from above, the truth of everything? You keep contradicting yourself, something someone 'from above' would not do.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Only above is supposed to know? If that's the case, why are you offering me, someone not from above, the truth of everything? You keep contradicting yourself, something someone 'from above' would not do.


What have I offered? I surely have not given everything. I stay within my parameters. You said you know only things God knows. I am saying, above knows of these things to, just because man doesn't know of it, doesn't equate to only God knows.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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But only 'father' or 'above' is supposed to know, you said it yourself. This is a complete cop out and you know it.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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But only 'father' or 'above' is supposed to know, you said it yourself. This is a complete cop out and you know it.


I was using your words to expand on your thought about Father only knowing. The supposed is not an absolute as in they are "only" to know. They are supposed to know because they need to know to help and assist man in their daily.

If you have a direct question about something ask. Things are received, not given.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 11:56 PM
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If you are not 'father' then how have you always been, seen everything inside and out, and understand everything? That is the exact definition of god.

What exactly are you and why should only those 'above' know this information? Why shouldn't we deserve to know this?



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