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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:19 PM
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In fact, your god is the reason for countless wars that have been fought throughout history.


How can Father be blamed for the actions of man? You can say that those men fought for their God. But, did they really, or use that as an excuse for their own desires?



Your spirit does transform when you are reincarnated, your spirit transforms into another person or things spirit.


Your spirit will never transform into another spirit. It can only take into another vessel (body).
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

What evidence is there that shows your god is making mankind any better? In fact, your god is the reason for countless wars that have been fought throughout history. The world is the way it is, there's no denying that.


What can I say, my God never claimed that he would make mankind better if they chose not to do his will. He did promise that if they chose not to follow his will that he would cause nations to rise up against them.


The suns cycle is transforming our minds, why do you think all these protests are happening across the world? Because people are waking up to the corruption that is taking place.


People have been waking up to the corruption for years, because it's been a long time in the making.

It's just that now they are tired of it becoming habitual and "in your face" blatant.


Your spirit does transform when you are reincarnated, your spirit transforms into another person or things spirit.


Hey, if you want to live nine more lives, more power to you. As for me, I think I'll take the short cut.




posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:33 PM
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You believe that these wars were because of man convincing others that is what their god wills, yet you find it impossible that religion is a result of religion. Funny how that works isn't it?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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yet you find it impossible that religion is a result of religion


You made an assumption here. I do not follow religion at all, just stating what is. Religion is mans view of God and all.
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posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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What I said was an assumption, but my assumption is from experience. I was raised in a christian home. I was taught that hell was real and that I didn't want to go there and I grew up a christian and even went to church, but I have since awoken to the truth.

I have had spiritual experiences, and that is how I have come to this conclusion. Another assumption that has no ground.


Do you care to share how your spiritual experiences led you to this conclusion? Please give details as to whether your experience was while you were awake or asleep, etc.

Thanks!



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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You do not believe in reincarnation from what I have read and I don't mean to sound rude, but what gives you the right to define what it is and how it happens?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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You do not believe in reincarnation from what I have read and I don't mean to sound rude, but what gives you the right to define what it is and how it happens?


I know what happens to ones who didn't learn, they come back. Some may say that is a form of reincarnation. I am to know all that is, that is as far as I will go with that.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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So you're going to say you just 'know' and then say you will not elaborate on it? That is a very weak argument, that is the definition of a straw man.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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Slight problem: if God is "consciousness" - i.e. the sum of all life that is conscious - then he can't have been around at the time of the Big Bang, when nothing was conscious...



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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You can have a spiritual awakening while you are awake, I have a feeling you were going to say the opposite. I myself have had a spiritual awakening while awake, so I know this to be true.

To elaborate shortly, I was online looking at famous philosophical quotes and came across the quote 'as above, so below' and for some reason that quote really struck a cord with me, I had to figure out what it meant, what the meaning behind it was, and being a christian I tried to apply that same logic to the bible, I then made that connection between god and the devil, that maybe they were the same. I then started making other connections between reality and the bible, connecting Jesus to the sun, heaven to the universe, god to heaven, angels to us, and the corrupt angels to Lucifer.

Once I realized it all, I saw just how badly my faith had lied to me and everyone else, and I knew they had to have a reason for doing something like that, and I came to the conclusion of power. They controlled me with my fear of hell.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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So you're going to say you just 'know' and then say you will not elaborate on it? That is a very weak argument, that is the definition of a straw man.


This thread is not for me to give an account of self. There is private message, and you can go into one of my threads for this.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 07:53 PM
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I can understand why you would think that the big bang was the beginning, but think about it, everything within the universe works in cycles. Why shouldn't the universe be the same?

What if our big bang wasn't the first one? What if the universe cycles from big bang to big crunch to big bang etc. forever?

If you say that time cannot be infinite, then math shows that there is room for infinity in our universe. There are an infinite amount of numbers because you can always count one more time, always.

That is what Jesus is talking about when you die, you have everlasting life in heaven, because the universe is heaven and the universe will never have an end.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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It makes no difference. Regardless of whether there was only one Big Bang or an infinite amount of Big Bang's the question remains - if God is "consciousness" then where was he during the Big Bang/s when nothing was conscious?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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To elaborate shortly, I was online looking at famous philosophical quotes and came across the quote 'as above, so below' and for some reason that quote really struck a cord with me, I had to figure out what it meant, what the meaning behind it was, and being a christian I tried to apply that same logic to the bible, I then made that connection between god and the devil, that maybe they were the same. I then started making other connections between reality and the bible, connecting Jesus to the sun, heaven to the universe, god to heaven, angels to us, and the corrupt angels to Lucifer.


The phrase As above, so Below is used widely to signify that what is in heaven, and what happens there, is the same for Earth. But, it is not true. The only thing that this Earth copies from above is: layout (streets, cities, etc.) You cannot apply this principal to Earth and try to give Earth a pass because, well if it happens here, it must be the same for above.

This phrase stems from the occult, and not above. For here, man has his own will, above, only the will of Father is followed.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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You don't have to say your name or where you live or what you do, just tell me how you know this. If you truly know how it works, wouldn't it be for the benefit of all if you DO say it on this forum?

Your private message will only reach me, that's not really spreading the truth that far and it's not fair to everyone else who doesn't know.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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You don't have to say your name or where you live or what you do, just tell me how you know this. If you truly know how it works, wouldn't it be for the benefit of all if you DO say it on this forum?


I know of all these things by observing all, throughout all of time, outside and in.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:20 PM
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The singularity is not an empty dot, it is the whole universe within that dot. It is infinitely dense and infinitely small at the same time. The universe never ceases to exist, it just changes form.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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The singularity is not an empty dot, it is the whole universe within that dot. It is infinitely dense and infinitely small at the same time. The universe never ceases to exist, it just changes form.

How is this relevant to the question I posed?



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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Sorry, but I don't buy that. All you have to do is tell what you know. You don't have to give your identity away to spread the truth.



posted on Jul, 15 2012 @ 08:24 PM
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You implied that consciousness started at the big bang, but what I said implies that consciousness has no beginning nor end.




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