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The Bright and Morning Star "Mary" Queen of Heaven and husband Allah

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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 



the other nuggets are more esoteric, for example pauls reference to astral projection,and require some serious study of the cabala
[not the stuff madonna and other celebs are hawking], the occult, history; both orthodox and secret, comparative mythology and religion


I can't meditate or do any of that stuff, everytime i try to and close my eyes i fall asleep so i gave up with the meditation.


according to legend, Bodhidharma the legendary founder of Zen [Chan] Buddhism and the martial arts traditions of the shaolin monks [he found them to be in very bad shape] had the same problem; so he cut off his eyelids, which upon falling on the ground,became the 1st tea plants, which in turn became an aid [stimulant] to meditators ever since

funny thing about Bodhidharma, it's uncertain whether he was a persian or from india

Throughout Buddhist art, Bodhidharma is depicted as a rather ill-tempered, profusely bearded and wide-eyed barbarian. He is referred as "The Blue-Eyed Barbarian" (碧眼胡) in Chinese Chan texts.[6]


Pahdmahsambava, who with his consort the Lady Tsogyel developed the tantra was allegedly from afghanistan [hmmm...]
more rabbit holes to go down...

there are different kinds of meditation so i'm sure you'll find one that suits you

if your visualization skills are any good you may want to try a system from raja yoga which i describe in this thread www.abovetopsecret.com...
it's called Astral Projection/Clairvoyance by means of the Tattwa symbols
if this system works for you you will be able to eventually be able to use ANY symbol or image as a Door and gain greater INSIGHT into their meanings.

speaking of symbols, before the advent of christanity, the astrological symbol for Mars was the very same symbol for Venus, save upside down,
it also has another name: DOMINION.[raises eyebrow]

yup, it's the exact same little ball with a cross that baby jesus holds in his hand


don't let the naysayers and nitpickers get ya down just because you got a detail or 2 wrong or misunderstood/misinterpreted, this is a vast field of study and many stories often have multiple versions.
it's always a Work in progress

or because [at least in my case] chick tracts were used by some as visual aids




posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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No we don't, the bride is the ekklesia in Greek. The invisible body of Christ.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Queen, I am waiting..

What does Hadith 9:4 say? Or will you publicly go on record denying the Hadiths are not authoritative?

Tick tock..



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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See the edit above friend.


I need to sleep on this, i've literally had too much go through my mind today. Only got room enough for one revelation a day in my head. My hard drive has reached maximum capacity.


Haha.. okay. Get into satan's real name from Isaiah 14:12 tomorrow and then research the perverted manuscripts that came out of Alexandria. Or as some call them "Catholic codecies".
. They are the codecies that removed the last 12 verses of Mark and references to the Trinity. U2U me for help.


just wanted to point out that Isaiah is referring to the king of Babylon, as i understand it

Lucifer and Phosphorus are Venus as morning and evening star
of course there are deeper meanings and 2k years of misunderstanding a concept or idea can create a reality all its own so you're not exactly wrong just means we all have a lot of veils to remove yet

and of course the Lucifer/Jesus bit is a BIT more complicated

the brass serpent [raised upon a staff/tree/tau cross] created by Moses is considered by some to be a prefigurement of the crucifixion

in the Apocryphon of John, Jesus explains that he was the serpent that "liberated" Eve

Satan means Adversary.

pretty much all the great magicians, mystics and world saviors had an adversary/bane/dark half
Jesus-Satan [Yaldabaoth?]
John the baptist- Asmodeus
Zarathustra- Ardyasp [ when he became king of bactria his consort had the same name
]
Siddhartha[Buddha] - Kama- Mara [Love and Death]

look into Tulpas
many times the adversary comes into existence through errors in the process,
other times it happens by accident as occurs in the prince of persia game[the shadow] when the protagonist walks thru the magic mirror

[anyone remember how you beat him in the original game?
]





The Nagh Hammadi was found around Alexandria if memory serves, but thats gnostic crap. Irenaeus and Tertullian and Polycarp worked hard to refute that stuff.

yes they did, for mother church, the whore of babylon

don't throw the baby out with the bathwater [wags finger]
you won't get far if reject the gnostics

from Hosea: "my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." [gnosis] .
edit on 12-7-2012 by DerepentLEstranger because: added edit and comment




clouds and flying greek pagan baby cupids (Eros

those are Putto's
while the pic maybe saint beatrice that doesn't mean it's not a representation of the goddess
art is full of that kind of palimpsest [multi-layered] meanings,metaphor and symbology
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Did the Vatican Create Islam

And there seems to be some very big coding in Islam. For example Mohummad was a child molester married to a child bride. BUT....did it mean that really, or was that reference to Catherine? I've read a bit. And then the numbers actually add up to such an evil example that has allowed the abuse of women and children to continue, more of beating the hell up on Sophia and Wisdom, the Equality, Unconditonal Love and the way back home (it is no accident they called the Venus Project , Venus or the Goddess). But really it is all a code and a huge deception.


What is actually buried in the Judaic religions is ASTROLOGY. And its not without purpose, relates to more than archtypes, but actual stargates.

All the modern roads lead to Rome/Sumar.

And that relates to this:







The Northern Circumference, the North Star, and the Stargates.
edit on 12-7-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99

Did the Vatican Create Islam

And there seems to be some very big coding in Islam. For example Mohummad was a child molester married to a child bride. BUT....did it mean that really, or was that reference to Catherine? I've read a bit. And then the numbers actually add up to such an evil example that has allowed the abuse of women and children to continue, more of beating the hell up on Sophia and Wisdom, the Equality, Unconditonal Love and the way back home (it is no accident they called the Venus Project , Venus or the Goddess). But really it is all a code and a huge deception.


What is actually buried in the Judaic religions is ASTROLOGY. And its not without purpose, relates to more than archtypes, but actual stargates.

All the modern roads lead to Rome/Sumar.

And that relates to this:







The Northern Circumference, the North Star, and the Stargates.
edit on 12-7-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)


You just showed different variants to crescent moon and star and the dragon of the hebrew mazaroth. There's another version of the serpent:



Some people think this represents infinity, but they are wrong. This represent self destruction, specifically the serpent self destructing. We see this symbol again hiding right under our noses right here:




posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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just wanted to point out that Isaiah is referring to the king of Babylon, as i understand it


Heylel and the son of perdition can be referred to as the King of Babylon or the Assyrian, everyone of those in Isaiah 14 applies to him. The Assyrian also refers to Muhammad or specifically the Muslim Mahdi who brings "peace" for 7 years (just like the christian antichrist).

Their Mahdi Jesus is going to make Adolf Hitler look like Benny Hill.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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S&F Great amounts of information and images. You spent an amazing amount
of time doing this i'd imagine. Nice post but everyone knows they we're aliens.
Not gods or angels, they were just Greys' with big beards pasted on and
fooled the masses of the time!



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:52 PM
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S&F Great amounts of information and images. You spent an amazing amount
of time doing this i'd imagine. Nice post but everyone knows they were aliens.
Not gods or angels, they were just Greys' with big beards pasted on and
fooled the masses of the time!
edit on 07/12/2012 by TheBeastly0ne because: Grammar error



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Those particular symbols are not the important aspect, but the circumference of the pole is, however, they layer upon layer the codes do they not?

The only interesting thing about the moon if you see through all the BS is, the one side reflects the sun, and that side has an association with 2 things, divine feminine which is peaceful and passive, or receptive. And a funny nature substance alluded to in many of their religious paintings, often with Mary, Moon, Unicorns and Fig Trees.

The dark side is just shadow realm and ET, and of course then anything Gravity Based, for some reason Saturn is their little death star, but Jupiter has a lot of gravity. So do we have 2 failed stars/planets in our solar system, and of course Sirius.

Its all about Love and Equality versus Control and Harm. Or Light as a Feather/Ascension/Progression versus Gravity.

Two roads, infinite and going in opposite directions.

All they're doing with all their layers of coding is hiding and convoluting truth.

What does this mean?


Alot in one picture. Both the sun and the moon. And two nature substances, one the unicorn's horn that dips in the pond and purifies the toxins.

So many layers.





All I see in the sun and moon reference is their clue to how to bypass the heart and throat chakra to open the pineal and become gods.

Their Ben Ben Bird/Phoenix, seen on the US Great Seal, ie. now an eagle. That is the rebirth as god.

But they don't know that its only more of the same matrix ET nonsense, not escaping or being birthed from the Matrix Universe. That is beyond annanuki. That is beyond any sides of ETs. That takes the heart of unconditiional love and the throat chakra, the ministry of Christ/Budda, the shining your light.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by DerepentLEstranger
 





just wanted to point out that Isaiah is referring to the king of Babylon, as i understand it


Heylel and the son of perdition can be referred to as the King of Babylon or the Assyrian, everyone of those in Isaiah 14 applies to him. The Assyrian also refers to Muhammad or specifically the Muslim Mahdi who brings "peace" for 7 years (just like the christian antichrist).

Their Mahdi Jesus is going to make Adolf Hitler look like Benny Hill.
edit on 12-7-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)


Yeah king of Babylon is just one of the 33 titles the Bible uses for the same man.

Prince of Persia, king of Tyre, the Assyrian, son of perdition... the antichrist. And Isaiah 14:12 is speaking to the man in the physical as well as speaking to Heylel in the spiritual who will possess that man.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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22 and 72 are coded alot in the Bible and the Koran, and of course 19 degrees. Also, 33, is 11 x 3.

Back to the above points. Isis, Dog, Mary, Figs, Unicorn all refer to that which purifies the toxin, when seen in art anyway.

Not to mention Santa and his reindeer. The old siberian reindeer story and all. Direct reference to the whole thing.

I repeat these macho low level murderers and slavers have no right even coding things to female madonna's or harlots in any way shape. And it is truly no wonder they have more gays amongst their rank and file than nature provides in the norm. They truly hate the freedom and equality women stand for and twist it all around, but its hiding such simple things, all of it.

its hiding, evil ETs, their minions here, an attempt to subjegate Light/Love souls to corruption, stress, chaos, and fascism, abuse of women and equality, and their own use of narcotics, what they declare narcotics, to bypass the graduation which takes heart and ministry, or heart/throat chakra.
edit on 12-7-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
People often mistake catholicism as christianity, ]

:shk: Catholicism IS Christian.
No amount of lies and bad sources you push on people will change that.

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Oh gawd .. a 'chickie' ... defending that which can't be defended .. Jack Chicks hate, paranoia, lies, racism and ignorance .... And you people are using his crap as a source for this garbage thread? I pity ya'll .. I really do.

The Nightmare World of Jack Chick
Fundamentalist nutjob cartoonist Jack Chick explains the error of fictional holiday figures in a gripping tale of murder and spiraling insanity
Bad Webcomics Wiki - Jack Chick Tracts
Racist Jack Chick Tracts - take a look at how black people are in his 'world'
Anti-Homosexual Jack Chick Tracts

Jack Chick - Rational Wiki

As a general rule, his tracts read like the ramblings of a paranoid schizophrenic and make Pat Robertson look mellowed out in comparison. ...
The larger comics featured a heavy dose of sensationalist Satanic Panic and demonic possession themes until around 1980 when Chick discovered King James Only and anti-Catholicism and published several more Crusader comics blaming the Catholic Church for everything from Communism, Satanism and human sacrifice to the American Civil War, the assassination of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy and finally the Holocaust (which was somehow also the fault of the evolutionists ....
If that is not bad enough Chick flubs researching passages in the KJV of the Bible itself ...
Jack Chick is notorious for using questionable and just plain ludicrous "testimonies" as source material ...


Jack Chick tracts are recognized as hate speech and slander in Canada and are therefore illegal in that country.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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Lonewolf, how many times are you going to post this same exact post on this site? You've posted this on at least 2 of my threads. It's getting to be rather spammy.

Here's one example

That being said Allah being a "moon god" is an absolute lie that has been very popular amongst Western Christians.


The early Muslim community did not really have a symbol. During the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), Islamic armies and caravans flew simple solid-colored flags (generally black, green, or white) for identification purposes. In later generations, the Muslim leaders continued to use a simple black, white, or green flag with no markings, writing, or symbolism on it.

It wasn't until the Ottoman Empire that the crescent moon and star became affiliated with the Muslim world. When the Turks conquered Constantinople (Istanbul) in 1453, they adopted the city's existing flag and symbol. Legend holds that the founder of the Ottoman Empire, Osman, had a dream in which the crescent moon stretched from one end of the earth to the other. Taking this as a good omen, he chose to keep the crescent and make it the symbol of his dynasty. There is speculation that the five points on the star represent the five pillars of Islam, but this is pure conjecture. The five points were not standard on the Ottoman flags, and as you will see on the following page, it is still not standard on flags used in the Muslim world today.


Full article

So as you can see it has nothing to do with Allah being some moon god. If it was then Muhammad would have used it from the beginning.

Facts and history beat out lies and misinformation every single time. This post of yours is as bad as the Zeitgeist crowd posting their nonsense about the origins of Christianity being tied to astrology.
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:48 PM
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I have no idea who jack chick is... but I do know quite well what an ad hom is.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I have no idea who jack chick is...

I highly doubt that ... but if what you say is true ... read the links.

but I do know quite well what an ad hom is.

blah blah blah ...
THEY are using Jack Chick tracts as a 'source'.
My links show Jack Chick tracts are just plain wrong.
(not to mention .. hate filled, ignorant, and racist)
In a discussion like this, where posters are using false information and
sources that have been proven to be wrong ... exposing that fact is
expected and is part of the discussion.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Hey, it's your baby, cradle it if you want. But in philosophy your argument is an ad hominem, "attack against the person". And to claim that person is only saying what they are saying because of bias is a "circumstantial ad hominem" argument. This isn't formal debate so you wont lose points.

Attack what people say, not people. It's an illogical way to debate/rationalize.


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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
But in philosophy your argument is an ad hominem, "attack against the person".

I don't have a philosophy ... I have facts. And the facts say Jack Chick tracts are wrong .. racist .. and ignorant. And for people to say that the tracts are a good source of information makes those people wrong, racist and ignorant. It's just that simple.

Quoting Jack Chick tracts as a reliable source? :shk: OMG.
Defending the use of Jack Chick tracts?
That's pretty darn sick. (as the links prove)



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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The reference to Jack Chick isn't a spurious attack on a strawman or an attempt to dissemble. Jack Chick's 'mission' is where Alberto Rivera first gained popularity and gave him the fame/notoriety that supported him for the rest of his life.

Any discussion about Rivera that doesn't include Chick is lacking at best. Dismissing claims about Chick as being out of place during a larger topic on Rivera is like claiming that Engels is irrelevant to the discussion of Marxism.

Eric



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Just a few quick questions for the OP:

Why do you believe that Catholics think that the Eucharist speaks?

Why do you believe that Catholics think that Mary is married to God?

Why do you believe that Catholics consider Mary 'The Bright and Morning Star'?


Thanks,

Eric



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