Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Catholics do not believe Mary is part of the Trinity. The Trinity is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Fatima is Muhammad's daughter.
Tell that to whoever commissioned this painting to be installed in a Vatican church.
Apparently they didn't get that memo.
edit on 11-7-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
That is a painting of St. Bernard. It refers to a legend that Mary's milk was squirted into his eye to cure a disease in it. According to
catholicism, Mary is able to cure him, not in her own right, but through the power of the Christ child on her lap. Alternatively it may be an image
of a dream that he had where breast milk is sprinkled on his lips as a blessing of wisdom. Kind of odd to our modern eyes but it has to be looked at
in the context of medieval mysticism and art.*
Lactating Virgins were not about any sort of divinity for Mary but rather emphasised her humanity and humbleness. It's all about context - a
noblewoman of the time would not lower herself to breast feed her child, that is what wet nurses were for. She was seen, not as a god, but as an
intermediary - she is, on this reading, wholly human, but with a special relationship with her child, who is God. It is exactly this symbolism of a
very human Mary and a far too human, breast feeding, Christ that eventually contributed to these types of images falling into disfavour - not to
mention a more recent identification of the breast with sex and immodesty. Oh, and looking at the top of the image (I see rays coming from
"heaven"), I think you will find that the trinity is indeed represented, just not the way you think it is...
The symbol of woman and / or mother and child is a powerful and enduring one of feminine principles, power (good and evil), fertility and nurturing
found in most, if not all, cultures (as is sun and moon worship of some sort if you go back far enough). It is hardly surprising that these things did
not get thrown out when new belief systems came along - it doesn't need any sort of conspiracy to explain it. In fact, it might even be argued that
the enduring images of the virgin and mother and child in the catholic church are in some ways a reaction against the church's patriarchy and
demonisation of the feminine. The church claimed, incorporated and tamed these traditions (into a compliant mother in this case) as it did many local
beliefs, because it was not just going to go away. If you can’t beat ‘em... Not saying you have no conspiracy but this image is not representing
what you claim, except possibly in a derivative, artistic trope kind of way.
In fact, although this particular image is not medieval, it is a later interpretation of earlier medieval art and story - St. Bernard was a medieval
abbot and you will find that medieval images of the same scene are a far richer sources of symbology. You have, perhaps accidentally, picked an image
not of a a veiled representation of a pagan triple godhead but of a VERY powerful man. He was intimately associated with the Knights Templar, wrote
the first rules of that order, and was known as the 'pope maker' due to his influence in their selection. He was looked to for advice and legitimacy
by popes and kings. Legends aside, receiving milk from the virgin, alongside
Christ, talks about the very real, earthly power of a a
particularly powerful man, not a god.