posted on Jan, 7 2013 @ 05:51 AM
Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
"Hail" is a form of praise.
Hail is also a form of greeting. That is how it is used in this case. It is taken from the bible. It is being used in the same manner as the angel
used it in greeting Mary .. Luke 1:28 ,, 'Hail Full of Grace, the Lord is with you ..' If it was good enough for the ArchAngel Gabriel to use when
talking to Mary .. it's good enough for everyone else.
In this case, to someone that isn't here, and cannot hear them. Praying to Mary means assuming she can listen. I haven't seen anything in
the Bible to indicate that someone already in heaven can hear people still on Earth.
It is definately in the bible. Read here
One charge made against it is that the saints in heaven cannot even hear our prayers, making it useless to ask for their intercession. However,
this is not true. As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation
5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of "golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of
the saints." But if the saints in heaven are offering our prayers to God, then they must be aware of our prayers. They are aware of our petitions and
present them to God by interceding for us.
Some might try to argue that in this passage the prayers being offered were not addressed to the saints in heaven, but directly to God. Yet this
argument would only strengthen the fact that those in heaven can hear our prayers, for then the saints would be aware of our prayers even when they
are not directed to them!
In any event, it is clear from Revelation 5:8 that the saints in heaven do actively intercede for us. We are explicitly told by John that the incense
they offer to God are the prayers of the saints. Prayers are not physical things and cannot be physically offered to God. Thus the saints in heaven
are offering our prayers to God mentally. In other words, they are interceding.
And even if it wasn't in the bible .. so what? Not everything that is true is in the bible.
The bible itself says there are a lot more truths out there than are just in the bible.
Plus, Jesus tells us to pray to the Father, not to Mary, or anyone else. Sure, Mary would be saved; that I won't disagree on. Alive, yes,
in Heaven. Answering prayers? Can't agree on that point.
Jesus says we are all supposed to pray for each other. Asking others to pray for us is doing exactly what Christ said to do. Asking Mary to pray for
us is doing exactly what Christ said to do. "hail full of grace ... pray for us sinners' ... that's what Catholics say to Mary and it's all
Even if it wasn't. SO WHAT? The bible isn't the 'end all' .. there is MUCH more truth in the world than what is in the bible. Even the bible
Plus, many times, Mary is talked about as though she is on the same level as Jesus.
Poppycock. The Catholic church is VERY clear that Mary, and any other saint, is NOT part of the Holy Trinity - Father, Son, Holy Spirit. The
Catholic church is VERY clear that Mary, and any other saint, are just created humans and NOT to be worshipped. Mary, and is NEVER worshipped in a
Catholic church. NEVER.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - What the Church says about Mary
The Catholic Church decides who is declared a saint, and always has.
The Catholics and the Orthodox have that recognition as part of their belief system. So naturally they will be the ones declaring who is officially a
'saint' (in heaven). SO WHAT? It's part of their belief system. It doesn't effect you Baptists. Let them state who they believe to be in
heaven if they wish. (which is what a person declared a 'saint' is .. someone who the church believes is in heaven).
If Catholics start up forced conversions at the point of a sword (or at the end of a gun barrel) or they start flying planes into buildings in an
attempt to mass kill people because those people worship differently than they do .. then you should worry. Until then ... relax about the Catholics.