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In a short interview Monday with Karen Swensen of New Orleans’ CBS affiliate WWLTV, President Barack Obama reiterated his support for the HHS birth control mandate, this time adding it’s “not fair” that a woman working for a Catholic institution should “bear the burden and the cost” of paying for her own contraception.
Critics have pointed out that the mandate’s “religious employer” exemption is limited only to institutions serving primarily members of their own sect, a definition experts called dramatically narrower than any other in the history of federal conscience laws.
“Jesus himself, or the Good Samaritan of his famous parable, would not qualify as ‘religious enough’ for the exemption, since they insisted on helping people who did not share their view of God,” Cardinal Daniel Dinardo famously said in a Sept 26 statement. “The ‘religious employer’ exemption offered by the Department is so extremely narrow that it protects almost no one.”
Its purpose is to secure religious liberty in the individual by prohibiting any invasions of such liberties by civil authorities. However, the Free Exercise Clause does not necessarily prevent government from requiring the doing of some act or forbidding the doing of some act merely because religious beliefs underlie the conduct in question.
Originally posted by daddyroo45
BH,Does this law not force me and others to pay into a system that supports abortion and birth control measures?
Forcing me to have to choose between staying legal,or standing for my ethics ?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
In other words, just because there is a religious belief underlying the use of birth control, that doesn't mean the religious can dictate that others abide by their belief.
The government is not forcing anyone to take birth control.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
And THAT'S against my ethics... I guess I could move to another country, right? I suggest Catholics do the same.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by daddyroo45
Originally posted by daddyroo45
BH,Does this law not force me and others to pay into a system that supports abortion and birth control measures?
Forcing me to have to choose between staying legal,or standing for my ethics ?
You live in the US, where freedom of choice and reproductive rights are upheld. Freedom, choice and rights... And that's a bitch, isn't it? To live in this country legally, I am forced to pay for the growth of a corrupt Military Industrial Complex and for wars in foreign lands that kill innocent people. That has nothing to do with freedom, choice or rights... And THAT'S against my ethics... I guess I could move to another country, right?
I suggest Catholics do the same.
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
March 16, 2012
Administration releases Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on preventive services policy
Officials at the Departments of Health and Human Services (HHS), Labor, and the Treasury today took the next step in the Obama administration’s effort to ensure women access to recommended preventive services while respecting religious liberty. The Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking issued today outlines draft proposals to implement the policy announced by President Barack Obama and HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius on Feb. 10, 2012. This policy will provide women with access to recommended preventive services including contraceptives without cost sharing, while ensuring that non-profit religious organizations are not forced to pay for, provide, or facilitate the provision of any contraceptive service they object to on religious grounds. The Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking issued today gives all Americans the chance to formally comment on ideas for implementing this policy.
Administration officials also released a final rule governing student health plans. Under the final rule, students will gain the same consumer protections other people with individual market insurance have, like a prohibition on lifetime limits and coverage of preventive services without cost sharing. In the same way that religious colleges and universities will not have to pay, arrange or refer for contraceptive coverage for their employees, they will not have to do so for their students who will get such coverage directly and separately from their insurer.
“The President’s policy respects religious liberty and makes free preventive services available to women,” said Secretary Sebelius. “Today’s announcement is the next step toward fulfilling that commitment.”
Today’s Federal Register advance notice concerning women’s preventive services calls for a 90-day public comment period. The departments will also hold listening sessions.
The advance notice of proposed rulemaking on women’s preventive services and the student health plan final rule is available in the Federal Register at
www.federalregister.gov...
For more information on women’s preventive services, visit:
www.healthcare.gov...
For more information on the student health plan final rule, visit:
www.healthcare.gov...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
No. It's forcing a church to provide free birth control when it is against their religion.
Clear cut case of going against the Constitution.
Being a supposed 'constitutional lawyer' Obama should know better.
IMHO he probably does know better .. but doesn't he care.
For this conversation, your ethics are irrelevant. Your ethics aren't protected by the Constitution.
Freedom of religion as promised by the US Constitution is what is relevant.
So when people's constitutional rights are threatened, they should just move to a different country?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by daddyroo45
Originally posted by daddyroo45
BH,Does this law not force me and others to pay into a system that supports abortion and birth control measures?
Forcing me to have to choose between staying legal,or standing for my ethics ?
You live in the US, where freedom of choice and reproductive rights are upheld. Freedom, choice and rights... And that's a bitch, isn't it? To live in this country legally, I am forced to pay for the growth of a corrupt Military Industrial Complex and for wars in foreign lands that kill innocent people. That has nothing to do with freedom, choice or rights... And THAT'S against my ethics... I guess I could move to another country, right?
I suggest Catholics do the same.
Originally posted by FortAnthem
While Catholic individuals do have to pay taxes to support stupid wars, the Catholic Church and its affiliated caritable institutions DO NOT pay into the tax system because they are exempt from the tax code.
“That’s the reason why we exempted churches, we exempted religious institutions,” the president said
I cannot understand why it is that people feel that having access to birth control is so important that it is worth trampling on religious freedom to force institutions to buy it for everyone.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
To live in this country legally, I am forced to pay for the growth of a corrupt Military Industrial Complex and for wars in foreign lands that kill innocent people. That has nothing to do with freedom, choice or rights... And THAT'S against my ethics
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Churches are exempt.
No one is providing free birth control.
And you DO know better? I don't think so.
Neither are religious ethics.
And these people are FREE to practice their religion.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
They are also exempt from this rule:
“That’s the reason why we exempted churches, we exempted religious institutions,” the president said
And I don't understand how having comprehensive preventative health insurance "tramples on religious freedom".
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
the religious trampling on people's rights versus Obama trampling on people's rights.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Again .. if you read the opening post and the Catholic statement you'll see that Obama's remarks are simply not true.
It's no different than force feeding bacon to a jew or a muslim.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I have no interest in whatsoever in the dogma the Catholic Church is trying to sell. I don't need to hear their view to be educated on the matter.
I missed the part where they're force-feeding birth control to Catholics.