common sense: how to beat the tea party in a battle of wits

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


are you really trying to turn my thread in to a beauty contest?
are you saying protesting to save your country is not patriotic?

are you saying you will protest with us if we bring more flags?

OK we will make sure we have plenty of flags on hand
to show our devotion to the constitution will you join with us for a protest?

xploder

Originally posted by beezzer
I'm not a complicted person.
I'm quite simple, actually.

Therefore, I tend to lean towards a simpler approach to the ills that America is facing. Taking care of yourself, being in control of your own health and fiscal responsibilities seems alot easier to handle than handing over all that responsibility to faceless government entities.

The first person I look to when I need help is myself. From education to health concerns, it is the individual that should be responsible.

Has the Tea Party made mistakes on their candidates?
Yup.

But we're young, we're new, and we'll get it right.

It's not making mistakes that a person should be judged by. But how a person does after the mistake is made.

Our government is populated by huge mistakes on both sides of the aisle.

Let's not endorse a movement (Occupy) that woiuld have us repeat the same mistakes,

does this mean you won the debate?



glad to see you in the fray

i agree with this,

Our government is populated by huge mistakes on both sides of the aisle.

now how to fix it.......

and remember OWS is even younger than teh tea party

xploder

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

You MIGHT find A COUPLE of people waving the U.S. flags marching with OWS, but in general the mayority of these protests and protesters do not show the American flag simply because what they want is a One World Socialist Government.

Most of the people in the OWS movement have swallowed the cool-aid of the world elites to implement a One World Government.

that is the most uninformed and generalised statement you have made so far

xp
ps we will bring more flags thank you for the suggestions
see we can work together

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Originally posted by stillwind

well holo to you my kind hearted friend,

i wounder do you mean TP or OWS
it was not clear from your post

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


You see? you continue wanting to ignore facts, and instead of proving your points with evidence you think that just by making claims that you are right... That is not critical thinking.

Under Wilson there was massive regulations mostly on small businesses which caused inflation, and later on the depression. "Regulatory" commissions have existed in the government for decades and up to almost a century yet NONE of these regulations have helped in the least stop crisis like the ones we are in...

But in fact the world elites have used crisis like the ones we are in to obtain more power, and the crisis we are having these days are not different in the least...

“The governments of Europe, the United States, and Japan are unlikely to negotiate a social-democratic pattern of globalization – unless their hands are forced by a popular movement or a catastrophe, such as another Great Depression or ecological disaster“

These governments would not accept a "social-democratic pattern of globalization" unless their hands are FORCED by a popular movement (Occupy and Anthropogenic Global Warming movements), another Great Depression (the current GLOBAL economic crisis), or an ecological disaster (Global Warming been blamed on humans)

Democratising Global Governance:

The Challenges of the World Social Forum

by

Francesca Beausang


ABSTRACT

This paper sums up the debate that took place during the two round tables organized by UNESCO within the first World Social Forum in Porto Alegre (25/30 January 2001). It starts with a discussion of national processes, by examining democracy and then governance at the national level. It first states a case for a "joint" governance based on a combination of stakeholder theory, which is derived from corporate governance, and of UNESCO's priorities in the field of governance. As an example, the paper investigates how governance can deviate from democracy in the East Asian model. Subsequently, the global dimension of the debate on democracy and governance is examined, first by identification of the characteristics and agents of democracy in the global setting, and then by allusion to the difficulties of transposing governance to the global level.

www.unesco.org...

The above paper is from 1991 from the UN (UNESCO is a branch of the UN in case you didn't know). It, and the meetings these globalists have been having call for a GLOBAL SOCIALIST/FASCIST GOVERNMENT derived from CORPORATE GOVERNANCE...

Originally posted by XPLodER

that is the most uninformed and generalised statement you have made so far

xp

ps we will bring more flags

thank you for the suggestions

Really?... care to PROVE your claim, or like always just your CLAIM is enough for you?...

I gave you SEVERAL videos of the OWS, watch them, and read the evidence I gave you...

As a counter-argument all you have done is "make more CLAIMS".

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


OWS publicly opposed the TPP
and we advocate for state banks instead of to big to fail banks and the removal of the fed,

how does this fit into your theory that ows is for one world government?

decenteralised co-op and comunity banking?

how is this going to lead us to the NWO?

xploder

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by XPLodER

that is the most uninformed and generalised statement you have made so far

xp

ps we will bring more flags

thank you for the suggestions

Really?... care to PROVE your claim, or like always just your CLAIM is enough for you?...

I gave you SEVERAL videos of the OWS, watch them, and read the evidence I gave you...

As a counter-argument all you have done is "make more CLAIMS".

you claimed that OWS was a one world government conspiracy
burden of proof is on you, as you made the claim

xploder

Originally posted by XPLodER

are you really trying to turn my thread in to a beauty contest?
are you saying protesting to save your country is not patriotic?

are you saying you will protest with us if we bring more flags?

OK we will make sure we have plenty of flags on hand
to show our devotion to the constitution

will you join with us for a protest?

xploder

Wow...AGAIN, you have no evidence to back your CLAIMS but you just keep CLAIMING that you are right and that OWS is not a socialist/leftwing group with socialist/leftwing goals when the EVIDENCE and FACTS disprove your CLAIMS?... And you want to call that "common sense" and "critical thinking"?...

OWS movement want to implement socialist goals, even if you brought 100 U.S. flags I wouldn't support your movement because it would simply be another lie...

World
Has ‘Occupy Wall Street’ Been Sucked Into a Global Socialist Movement?

Based on a well-produced video circulating around the Internet, it appears that Occupy Wall Street is now officially part of a global push towards Socialism.

www.youtube.com...

This video makes connections between the Occupy Wall Street protests and:


Uprisings in Tunsia and Egypt – both countries where a “President” had been ruling those countries for 21 years and 30 years, respectively.

Riots in Greece sparked by talks of austerity and needed financial reforms in reaction to unsustainable social programs.

Do the American protesters want the same things as the people in Tunisia and Egypt demanded? If so, do they realize that means that they want the government removed and replaced?

The 15october.net group behind this video makes no bones about what they want. And while it may be too late for the Wall Street protesters to avoid being lumped in with this organization, they should know what the 15october group is really asking for.

Their intentions are posted online for all to see.

Consider just two from their list of five demands:


Faced with this material and existential precarity we demand the democratization of the economic system and European governance. This will allow the construction of a new economic model of social welfare based on two aspects: the guarantee of an unconditional access to income (basic income for everybody) and the effective and free access to social rights and common wealth (education, health care, housing, knowledge, environment).

Do the people occupying Wall Street really want -”the guarantee of an unconditional access to income (basic income for everybody) and the effective and free access to social rights and common wealth (education, health care, housing, knowledge, environment)?”

Housing… government housing for all is now part of the Occupy Wall Street demands? Perhaps someone should ask this question of the protesters.

And what of the group’s stance on immigration? This organization appears to support the dissolution of all borders – “We demand social, political and citizenship rights for all regardless of whether you have an employment contract or not. We demand the concession of these rights to all migrants living in European countries. We are all migrants. No one is illegal!”

The above was presented at last month’s meeting in Barcelona, hence the reference to European countries, but one must believe that they would make a similar demand for amnesty and the acceptance of all people in all countries.
...

www.theblaze.com...

Yet more and more evidence shows the facts that YOU, and your friends don't want to accept...

Originally posted by XPLodER


you claimed that OWS was a one world government conspiracy
burden of proof is on you, as you made the claim

xploder

I have provided PLENTY of evidence while you have provided ZERO evidence...

Amazing, and you still claim that you "think critically and have common sense"...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


are you trying to say the entire worlds protests are socialist?
all the protests going on around the world are all socialists?

that even though the process is horizontal democracy,
that this is socialism?

that all the working groups, all the people at all these marches are socialist?

your claims are now getting silly,
we have wall street traders helping us, are they socialists?

are you saying i am a socialist if i support ows?

xploder

reply to post by XPLodER


AGAIN you have provided no EVIDENCE to corroborate your CLAIMS, but you think that making CLAIMS is EVIDENCE in itself, and you sir are WRONG...

Yes many people, the mayority of OWS movement, have fallen for the lies of the global elites. I presented FACTS that you alongside many others just want to ignore.

You had no idea that the Obama administration has been backing the OWS movement alongside most, if not all leftwingers in politics...

You had no idea that leftwing groups like ACORN, and others have been behind the organization of the OWS protests...

You obviously had no idea that the world elites are also calling for "global change", and like the mayority of the OWS movement want, the change is towards socialism.

No matter how many CLAIMS you make, you can't refute FACTS/EVIDENCE with CLAIMS which are nothing more than your uneducated opinion.

You want to keep on being a blind follower of the global elites, you go ahead and do so...

reply to post by Thunderheart


you complain about your taxes. say 48% goes to the state and 13% for an ira, leaving 39% to live on. you ask how much more you should pay so others get free stuff.

i have a simple solution for you.

quit. stop working and start collecting. get the free stuff you think others get. i bet a dollar to donuts that your 39% is far better than the "free" stuff the poor get.

before you complain about how others get free stuff, remind yourself you are doing quite a bit better than them. remind yourself about the single mother working two jobs (if she can find them) that worries if the lights will still be on at the end of the month. if it werent for foodstamps and other forms of help, both her and her kids would be on the streets or starve.

have you ever had your lights cut off? have you ever been so poor that the only way to give your kids a christmas gift was to go to the salvation army and hope someone would drop one off? have you ever gone 3 days without food so your kids could eat? this is the life of millions of americans every year.

Taxes are a burden to the economy, and a boon to the lazy who survive off the working.

Greece expanded government to fight unemployment and raised taxes to pay for expansion until it drove it's own economy into the ground.

Want fair tax? Push for a flat tax and make laws allowing write-offs illegal. Problem is, it will make everyone ticked off when they realize most of the money they earn for their families goes to the government.

Even if you gave up your entire paycheck for taxes, it would still never be enough. The govt has to have the Fed keep printing money day and night to pay for all the stuff. Why are we borrowing money from China to give to .... China?

You just don't get it .... no matter how much they tax us, they will keep printing money. And the more money they print, the more devalued the dollar is. Do you know how it works? One dollar is 100 pennies, but when they print money, it's like now it's only worth 99 pennies, then they print some more and it's only worth 98 pennies... and so on.

We have plenty of libraries, for those of you whining about how we need taxes for libraries. Libraries is the very least of what the govt is spending on.... it's the black ops, the gun running aka Fast and Furious, the underground bunkers, the shady deals with foreign countries, the money spent on foreign oil subsidies (Petrobas to be exact), and yes the banks. Then there's Obamacare, it costs money too. What kind of nuts say we must have Obamacare and then we must raise taxes too? If we weren't being ravaged by so many taxes, maybe more of us could afford insurance and/or just plain health care. Insurance isn't what it's cracked up to be anyway, it doesn't pay for a lot of stuff and it won't under Obamacare either. All that nonsense about free healthcare is bogus propaganda. There is no free lunch and no free healthcare.

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

are you trying to say the entire worlds protests are socialist?
all the protests going on around the world are all socialists?

that even though the process is horizontal democracy,
that this is socialism?

that all the working groups, all the people at all these marches are socialist?

your claims are now getting silly,
we have wall street traders helping us, are they socialists?

are you saying i am a socialist if i support ows?

xploder

Most of it yeah, except for the Tea Party. Remember TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already!

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by ElectricUniverse

 

You MIGHT find A COUPLE of people waving the U.S. flags marching with OWS, but in general the mayority of these protests and protesters do not show the American flag simply because what they want is a One World Socialist Government.

Most of the people in the OWS movement have swallowed the cool-aid of the world elites to implement a One World Government.

that is the most uninformed and generalised statement you have made so far

xp

ps we will bring more flags

thank you for the suggestions

see we can work together

edit on 12-7-2012 by XPLodER because: (no reason given)

For the record, when socialists and Marxists want something they will do pretty much anything to achieve that end. For Marxists, the ends justify the means. When the illegals rallied in 06, they walked around waving various flags of the nations they were from, mostly Mexico and El Salvador, and burned American flags or put the American flags upside down underneath the Mexican flags.
When they were told that the foreign flags made patriotic Americans mad and it wasn't helping their agenda any, they suddenly decided to show up with American flags instead. So you see, anyone can do anything for any reason and it doesn't make it right or good.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by reluctantpawn

 

Wow, you wish to change the USA so only certain classes have rights and liberty?

If your Christian and upper middle class you should have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If your poor and on governmental assistance you think the government should be able to limit what you purchase and own?

You wish to limit the food people can purchase.

You wish for kids to not have toys.

You wish for mandatory birth control??

You wish to eliminate the right to vote?

And this is America? This is the vision you have for the USA?

The more the tea party speaks the sooner they will go away.

Disgusting.

Enacting these suggestions, how does it create a smaller government, or does it create a huge government?

edit on 11-7-2012 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by LDragonFire
reply to post by reluctantpawn

 

Wow, you wish to change the USA so only certain classes have rights and liberty?

If your Christian and upper middle class you should have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If your poor and on governmental assistance you think the government should be able to limit what you purchase and own?

You wish to limit the food people can purchase.

You wish for kids to not have toys.

You wish for mandatory birth control??

You wish to eliminate the right to vote?

And this is America? This is the vision you have for the USA?

The more the tea party speaks the sooner they will go away.

Disgusting.

Enacting these suggestions, how does it create a smaller government, or does it create a huge government?

edit on 11-7-2012 by LDragonFire because: (no reason given)

NO. I wish to have some control over how MY taxpayer money is spent. I wish to see that people have an incentive to get back into the labor pool. I wish that children will learn good strong work ethics. I wish that more children arren't born into a faraudulent scheme bent on keeping them in the underclass. I wish that the voters were well informed and not bought out with promises that would keep them below their potential.

reluctantpawn