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The Double Standard of Christian Terrorism

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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
Wow. That's desperate. Trying to blame Islam.


Shrek: I'm nobody's messenger boy, all right? I'm a delivery boy!




posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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Muslims me are taught in the koran to kill, Christians are not


That is completely wrong. I have heard many Christians claim that since god supposedly told the Israelites to wipe out entire cities, that we (as their supposed heirs) are supposed to do the same thing to our enemies.

Based on how many Christians today mindlessly and completely support endless war and torture I don't know how you can claim with a straight face that Christianity doesn't encourage violence (onward Christian Soldiers!).



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by CB328
Based on how many Christians today mindlessly and completely support endless war and torture I don't know how you can claim with a straight face that Christianity doesn't encourage violence...

Insert facepalm HERE:


"One group and one group ALONE is responsible for virtually all wars and bloodshed on the face of this planet." LINK


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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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Dear CoolerAbdullah786,

Don't worry, if you want to rephrase something go right ahead. I say things that get misinterpreted all the time. I might have been a little snappy, and I apologize. Let's keep exploring, if it's all right with you.


Um of course I do. They planned on killing a cop and then blowing up his funeral in order to kill more cops. That's terrorism in my eyes.
But that was the point of my post. Yes, I agree that conspiracy to murder is a crime, but the point is the judge found that they hadn't committed that crime. They were found not guilty. The judge said in effect, "You guys aren't criminals or terrorists."

I stressed this because it seemed this group was being displayed as the perfect example of a Christian terrorist group, but they weren't terrorists. It seems that we're still left with lone people who are certifiable as the main source of the idea of modern Christian terrorism.

A double standard is treating the same behavior, in the same circumstances, differently. I haven't seen the Christian "same behavior" as what's going on with "Crazy Extremists." We don't have a double standard for Christians, because they're not doing the same things Muslims do.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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The christians keep shouting that chistians are christian by their actions and no true christian would ever murder innocents in the name of their religion...

The muslims aswell keep shouting that muslims are muslim by their actions and thus no true muslim would ever resort to bla bla bla...

You don't even realize how much you resemble each other. You're all of the same ilk.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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hi - i fundamentally disagree with your premise , because the people you alledge are " christian terrorists " - are IMHO not committing acts of terrorism in the name of christienity , for a christian adjenda , or using biblical justification fpor thier acts

i know its a semantic twist - but the people you cite are not christian terrorists - thiey are terrorists who happen to be christian too

but thier religion is irrelevant

there are " christian terrorists "

eric rudolph is a shining example - as he bombed abortion clinics and committed homophobic attacks using biblical justification

although he hasnt killed / attacked anyone - i consider fred phelps to be a christian terrorist also
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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 03:46 AM
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Originally posted by CB328



Muslims me are taught in the koran to kill, Christians are not


That is completely wrong. I have heard many Christians claim that since god supposedly told the Israelites to wipe out entire cities, that we (as their supposed heirs) are supposed to do the same thing to our enemies.

Based on how many Christians today mindlessly and completely support endless war and torture I don't know how you can claim with a straight face that Christianity doesn't encourage violence (onward Christian Soldiers!).



to be fair, the central focus of Christianity is Jesus, through which everything else is filtered (and he just one big love machine)- compare and contrast with muhammad who wasn't averse to slaughtering people

So, no perfection in the hands of man, but more peace with the followers of Jesus



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 05:35 AM
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What church did this guy go to? Did he by any chance attend Timothy McVeigh's imaginary church? The only reason you think this incident was a double standard was that the media soon abandoned the story once they found out this guy had no association with Christianity whatsoever. It's a lot like the ATS poster boy Jared Laughner. He was labelled a right wing extremist, but once they found out he was just a run of the mill ATS left leaning nutjob, they quickly moved on to the next story. There is no proof this guy was a Christian, but only proof to the contrary.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 05:49 AM
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I vividly remember tal;king to my mother on the morning of 911. I was working maintenance at the Booker T Washington national Park a few minutes from her when they shutdown all federal facilities an hour after the attack.

She was standing there dumb founded and saying that we haven't had an attack like this since Pearl Harbor and that we never had terrorists attack here. I looked at her and totally disagreed with her replying, "look at all of the abortion clinic bombing. Don't you think they are terror attacks? It's just you agree with the Christian bombers...

Christian terror attacks in the US after 911 all but ceased to exist!



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 05:59 AM
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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786

Originally posted by borntowatch
The "No true Scotsman argument", how ridiculous.
A Christian is not a word or a name. A Christian is a Christian by their actions.
Unlike Muslims and their god muhamed who had a child bride and killed many,


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA. Muslims don't worship Muhammad. If you can't even get that piece of information correect about Islam, and it's a very basic piece of information, then we know we can't take anything you say as factual. You are clearly misinformed about Islam.



Jesus taught we, His followers are to be servants of others as He was, to lay down our lives as Christ laid down His own.
Many people claim Christianity but do not practice the faith.


Many people claim Islam but do not practice the faith



Muslims me are taught in the koran to kill, Christians are not
Your argument is fallicious


Wrong again. Tell me when you actually sit down and read the entire Quran and not just get your information from anti-Islam websites. Muslims are instructed to defend themselves. They are forbidden to be the agressors in war. You would know that if you read the Quran. Also, it's "fallacious." Not "fallicious"



Christians at their death in battle dont receive an endless amount of virgin brides in heaven, there is no reward for killing,


Tell that to the Crusaders. Let me guess. Another "No true Scotsman" argument is coming.


I understand that islam supports and encourages murderers and paedophiles. The mahumad worship is also very evident in the west, cant even draw a picture of him without a muslim hissy fit, idol worshippers as I see it
Thats enough for me to see how wrong it is, you are.

Verses of death and killing instructed by the koran
here you go boy
www.thereligionofpeace.com...
www.wvinter.net...

Seems you dont know the koran. very poor effort for a confessed muslim. Go read your own book before preaching what you dont understand,

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posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by CoolerAbdullah786
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"Exterminated" how? Because now you sound like you are promoting violence to eradicate a group of people which is very much like Breivik, amongst others.

Religion doesn't need exterminated. Ignorance does. We need to eradicate ignorance amongst the faithful. We must educate the people.

Do you really think violence would disappear if religion did? Absolutely not. There are other things which are equally divisive that can and do lead to violence (politics being one of them). Hell, people riot and fight over Football ("soccer") games.


Of course violence wouldn't disappear. Its in our nature.

However, conflict over earthly matters such as land, power, money etc can be resolved by negotiation. Its rational.

Conflict over religion, as its utterly committed people arguing over the interpretation of imaginary beings, cant be resolved by negotiation. Thats why religious conflicts persist until one side kills or subsumes the other or both are subsumed by a stronger third party (that just suppresses it for a while).



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Muhammad didn't "slaughter people." He engaged in self-defensive war. More peace with followers of Christ? Really? George W Bush claimed to be a Christian. In fact he said that his foreign policy was based on his being a Christian. What did he do? Wage multiple wars that are still going on. How many soldiers in the American military are Christians? What percentage?

So people need to stop promoting this falsehood that Christians are a peaceful people and Muslims are nothing but bloodthirsty killers. It shows a complete lack of knowledge of Islam.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by borntowatch
I understand that islam supports and encourages murderers and paedophiles. The mahumad worship is also very evident in the west, cant even draw a picture of him without a muslim hissy fit, idol worshippers as I see it
Thats enough for me to see how wrong it is, you are.

Verses of death and killing instructed by the koran
here you go boy
www.thereligionofpeace.com...
www.wvinter.net...

Seems you dont know the koran. very poor effort for a confessed muslim. Go read your own book before preaching what you dont understand,

edit on 12-7-2012 by borntowatch because: (no reason given)


No, you don't understand. You clearly don't understand. And I know my Book well. You are the one who doesn't know it. Linking a well-known anti-Islam website that posts verses completely out of context and translations at that without the proper understanding of the Arabic terms does not make you an expert on Islam or the Quran.

So I'm done addressing your absolute trash.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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I must admit I hadn't looked into Christian terrorism much before this thread, but I'm starting to get worried. Breivik (sp?) doesn't seem to be one, nor does the Hutaree, so I was glad to see your reference to Eric Rudolph. I went to the source you gave and looked through it. May I show you some of the things I noted?

Rudolph's motive for the bombings, according to his April 13, 2005 statement, was political:

"Even though the conception and the purpose of the so-called Olympic movement is the promote the values of global socialism as perfectly expressed in the song "Imagine" by John Lennon, which was the theme of the 1996 Games — even though the purpose of the Olympics is to promote these despicable ideals, the purpose of the attack on July 27th was to confound, anger and embarrass the Washington government in the eyes of the world for its abominable sanctioning of abortion on demand. The plan was to force the cancellation of the Games, or at least create a state of insecurity to empty the streets around the venues and thereby eat into the vast amounts of money invested."

Rudolph has made it clear in his written statement and elsewhere that the purpose of the bombings was to fight against abortion and his homophobia and belief in a "homosexual agenda". He considered abortion to be murder, the product of a "rotten feast of materialism and self-indulgence"; accordingly, he believed that its perpetrators deserved death, and that the United States government had lost its legitimacy by sanctioning it. He also considered it essential to resist by force "the concerted effort to legitimize the practice of homosexuality" in order to protect "the integrity of American society" and "the very existence of our culture", whose foundation is the "family hearth"

In a letter to his parents from prison, Rudolph has written, "Many good people continue to send me money and books. Most of them have, of course, an agenda; mostly born-again Christians looking to save my soul. I suppose the assumption is made that because I'm in here I must be a 'sinner' in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."
It seems that even the attacks on abortion clinics and homosexuals had little to do with religion, but was to protect society and culture from forces that threatened the "family hearth," or to prevent murders. He really does seem more political than religious.

What I'm getting a little worried about is that I don't see sane, Christian terrorists. They must be all over the place, I keep hearing about them. But I still can't agree yet that there is a double standard in favor of Christian terrorists, because I'm having trouble finding them.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Exactly! Clearly a "Christian" terrorist is insane. Just as a "Muslim" terrorist is insane. To think that killing yourself and other innocent people, which is forbidden in Islam, will be looked upon in good favor by Allah? That's absolutely insane. This still speaks to my point. The point being when a Christian does it is not because they are a Christian nor is their religion rarely if ever brought up. But when a Muslim does it, it's because he is a "Muslim terrorist" or "an Islamic extremist" or a "Jihadist" or an "Islamist" or whatever new propaganda catchphrase they can come up with to make Islam look evil, to paint Muslims as the enemy especially to Western Christian society.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Dear CoolerAbdullah786,

For a moment, let's work by accepting your idea that all Muslim terrorists are insane. There are two things I don't understand. Why are there so many more "insane" killers who claim the Muslim faith as the basis for their actions, than the Christian faith? Is the insanity caused by something in their environment?

And why are the Christian "insane" killers jailed or committed when caught, when Muslim "insane" killers are celebrated by the populace, and, in the case of suicide bombers, rewarded by their governments. The American government infiltrates every suspected terrorist group in order to arrest and jail them. Do the governments of Iran or the other Muslim nations?

It may be the press I get, but it seems like all "insane" killers are condemned by the West, but only Christian insane" killers are condemned by Islamic governments. (Unless of course, your particular Muslim group is the target of the "insane" Muslim killers.)

(And, no, by the way, I don't believe all Muslim killers are "insane," not even most. Unless we're using a very broad definition of insanity.)

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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Of course you don't. You are setting a double standard. I'm done with this conversation since all you want to do is scapegoat Christians away from the violence they commit and then condemn all Muslims for the violence they commit. I tried to find common ground with you but you are not interested in the least bit. Your only desire to vilify and demonize all of Islam and pretend that Christianity is a flawless and peaceful religion.

Peace be upon you.



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Dear CoolerAbdullah786,

Actually, all I wanted to do was to present evidence that Christian terrorism was more rare and treated more harshly than Muslim terrorism. I was, and am, fully prepared to consider contradicting evidence.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Jul, 12 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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none of these events have anything to do with religion. They're just the patsy that the puppeteer use as the scap goat. It's all stagged. Get the masses fearful so you can impliment more laws to restrict freedom. hello



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