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Originally posted by petrus4
While I think that it is admirable that you are willing to uphold the right of these individuals to free speech, I also think that an important distinction needs to .... snipped for room.
Originally posted by petrus4
At the very least, every individual who has made such a statement, would be considered guilty within numerous countries, of a grievous act of assault. I am a little unclear on the law in American jurisdictions on this point, admittedly; but where I'm from, verbally threatening an individual's life is generally considered a serious crime.
Originally posted by petrus4
As an example, I consider former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, to not only have made the statement that Assange is guilty of treason, (despite the fact that he is not an ...snipped for room
Originally posted by petrus4
If Assange dies, therefore, it would be my hope that the relevant authorities would view both Mr Huckabee and possibly Ms Palin, as at least suspects for the order of Assange's execution, if not the literal, physical commission of the act.
Originally posted by petrus4
I didn't mean to accuse you of having sinister intentions as s...snipped for room
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Diplomatic immunity wouldn't protect him. Save-conduct would but Uk would have to agree to it. Also his situation is nothing but political persecution so it most definately fits the description for an asylum request.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
For one, he hasn't been charged in Sweden. That's the whole point. He is politically persecuted because he is wanted detained and incommunicato in Sweden even though there is no reason for doing that. It's persecution from sweden regardless if US wants him or not.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
the information is still out there. Going after Assanges life would do nothing but galvanize his supporters while at the same time taking those of us who think Assange should be charged down the road of questioning that position.
Assange could get into a a diplomatic vehicle and could be taken to the airport however there is nothing at the airport that would prevent the police from arresting assange. The moment he stepped out of the vehicle he can be taken into custody.
Originally posted by petrus4
Thank you for this explanation, Xcathdra.
Originally posted by petrus4
I don't know whether you are implying here that you are among the people who think that Assange should be charged, but depending on what the named charge is, ...snipped for room.
Originally posted by petrus4
I will say that I feel that Assange resembles, in a number of respects, the archetype that is known on the Internet as a "grey hat hacker." I don't know whether ..snipped for room...
Originally posted by petrus4
I do not want to see Assange killed, and that is my primary concern; ..snipped for room.
Originally posted by petrus4
I think I need to be more level headed, in hindsight, concerning Bradley Manning, as well. I will admit that my attitude towards the American government, is not sympathetic. I have ....snipped for room
Originally posted by petrus4
However, I begin to realise that if action is to be taken against potentially rogue elements within the government, then it needs to be done via the legal system itself. While I agree that Assange and Manning are to be given due process, I am beginning to acknowledge that perhaps, in their own attempts to do something about a potentially tyrannical government, they have not attempted to utilise said due process themselves.
Originally posted by petrus4
Let these men be charged, if they are guilty of crimes; but let them be given due process. Not tortured, and not merely lynched or assassinated. Apart from anything else, the main reason why due process could be so important in their case, is because it may go towards convincing them that the system does still work.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Xcathdra
Assange could get into a a diplomatic vehicle and could be taken to the airport however there is nothing at the airport that would prevent the police from arresting assange. The moment he stepped out of the vehicle he can be taken into custody.
Could the vehicle drive right onto a cargo plane...?
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Xcathdra
Assange could get into a a diplomatic vehicle and could be taken to the airport however there is nothing at the airport that would prevent the police from arresting assange. The moment he stepped out of the vehicle he can be taken into custody.
Could the vehicle drive right onto a cargo plane...?
I do think Assange should be charged and be held accountible. Some of the possible charges - * - Receiving / disseminating classifed information.
Assange's problems would start before he could ever get into a diplomatic car. The London Ecuadorian embassy is a first floor flat. He must exit the embassy before he even exits the building.
Let these men be charged, if they are guilty of crimes; but let them be given due process. Not tortured, and not merely lynched or assassinated. Apart from anything else, the main reason why due process could be so important in their case, is because it may go towards convincing them that the system does still work.
Thats my point.. Assange is basing his asylum argument on being sent to the US from Sweden. The US has nothing to do with his Swedish legal issues. The UK judge found the extradition request valid from Sweden so im not sure where the persecution part is coming in on that one.
Originally posted by purplemer
Why do you think he should be charged with this. Is it not the realm of the government to keep their information classified. Once it is in the public arena you are allowed to publish it.. There are many examples of newspapers printing classified information in the past and many newspapers that printed WL material too. Should they be prosecuted also... Should sits like ATS be prosecuted. They have published classifed information.. What has happened to freedom of speech..?
Originally posted by purplemer
More to the point. This may well be a crime in the US. But the the information was not published in the US it was published in Sweden where this is not a crime...
Originally posted by purplemer
Really I think its a smoke screen going after JA... Would it not be better to go after some of the criminals he has exposed.....
Originally posted by purplemer
Sometimes I dont get you.. No offence meant. Evidently you are intelligent and you know your stuff. You defend the Fourth Estate with hammer and tong.. Do you really think the way we are doing things is ok. Do you not think they can be done better. Would things not be better if our governments stopped lying so much. Do you really want the next century to be like the last...
Originally posted by purplemer
He has not been charged with any crime.
Originally posted by purplemer
If they had sufficient evidence he could be charged even if he was absent...
Originally posted by purplemer
Dont forgot he walked into a police station in Sweden before he left the country and they said he was free to go. The accusations appeared very conveniently after the start of the American mega leak..
Originally posted by purplemer
More to the point. This may well be a crime in the US. But the the information was not published in the US it was published in Sweden where this is not a crime...
Originally posted by petrus4
As one point of dissent, Assange is not an American citizen; so I'm not exactly sure how American law, specifically, applies to him. This is a claim which a number of the politicians who have called for his assassination seem to have made implicitly, which their critics have noticed. Namely, that claiming that Assange, who is not an American citizen, is still chargeable under American law, is to imply that countries outside of America are still under American legal jurisdiction.
Originally posted by petrus4
Granted, Australia a lot of the time feels like the de facto 51st state already; but if we are going to allow this, then someone is probably going to have to formalise that arrangement beforehand.edit on 13-7-2012 by petrus4 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Xcathdra
The Politicians have nothing to do with prosecution as that remains the perview of the US Attorney.
Originally posted by PsykoOps
Originally posted by Xcathdra
The Politicians have nothing to do with prosecution as that remains the perview of the US Attorney.
They serve the same system. They dine at the same table. They sleep in the same bed... you get the picture