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Originally posted by SuperFrog
Originally posted by adjensen
"Hitchens vs God (god loses by the way)" should be nominated for "most ironic video title ever"... I wonder how Hitch's pomposity served him when he actually had the opportunity to debate God.
And you for sure know that he had that opportunity?? Interesting. You know something we don't.
Message still stay, even after Hitchen.
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by WienelPistor
reply to post by GmoS719
Atheism is a REJECTION of belief(s) in a higher power, it is not a belief system. That's all that being an Atheist means.
Any way you spin it. You believe there is no god. You don't believe in a God.
It means the same thing. It's a belief.
And if that's all being an atheist meant then why do you guys try so hard to bash religion?
That's right, chalk one down on the beliefs column.
There is no spin to it...
1)AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD.
2)MAN invented GOD.. thus HE believes in GOD A belief.
Atheist don't have a BELIEF there is no god, we are at still at point 1)DEFAULT - NO GOD. Religious folks are at point 2.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by WienelPistor
reply to post by GmoS719
Atheism is a REJECTION of belief(s) in a higher power, it is not a belief system. That's all that being an Atheist means.
Any way you spin it. You believe there is no god. You don't believe in a God.
It means the same thing. It's a belief.
And if that's all being an atheist meant then why do you guys try so hard to bash religion?
That's right, chalk one down on the beliefs column.
There is no spin to it...
1)AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD.
2)MAN invented GOD.. thus HE believes in GOD A belief.
Atheist don't have a BELIEF there is no god, we are at still at point 1)DEFAULT - NO GOD. Religious folks are at point 2.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
To say "AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD" is an opinion.
You can't pass that off as a fact.
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by WienelPistor
reply to post by GmoS719
Atheism is a REJECTION of belief(s) in a higher power, it is not a belief system. That's all that being an Atheist means.
Any way you spin it. You believe there is no god. You don't believe in a God.
It means the same thing. It's a belief.
And if that's all being an atheist meant then why do you guys try so hard to bash religion?
That's right, chalk one down on the beliefs column.
There is no spin to it...
1)AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD.
2)MAN invented GOD.. thus HE believes in GOD A belief.
Atheist don't have a BELIEF there is no god, we are at still at point 1)DEFAULT - NO GOD. Religious folks are at point 2.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
To say "AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD" is an opinion.
You can't pass that off as a fact.
And how would you prove that there was a GOD at the DEFAULT? you can't thus we are left with no evidence for it.
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by GmoS719
Yeah there is no proof, but you still believe in it thus, its on you to provide proof of it. lol and i'm still sticking with the default of no evidence.
Im still at default of No evidence,
Your at a belief with no evidence.
Who here is more correct?
Again, Atheist = does not believe in god because of no evidence. At default, No evidence.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by GmoS719
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by GmoS719
Yeah there is no proof, but you still believe in it thus, its on you to provide proof of it. lol and i'm still sticking with the default of no evidence.
Im still at default of No evidence,
Your at a belief with no evidence.
Who here is more correct?
Again, Atheist = does not believe in god because of no evidence. At default, No evidence.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
I could say the same thing and say it's up to you to provide proof there is no God.
How can either side be more correct?
Just like an atheist to think only his BELIEFS can be right.
Originally posted by luciddream
Im still at default of No evidence
Originally posted by whyamIhere
Well, here I was this big bad Atheist.
Yet at my worst moment of my life.
I found myself calling out to God.
I just wonder if others ever had this experience.
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by luciddream
Im still at default of No evidence
Actually, that's an invalid statement -- you cannot say that there is no evidence, which is an absolute conclusion based on non-absolute observations.
The best you (honestly) can manage is something along the lines of "I personally have seen no evidence that I believe demonstrates the existence of God."
Originally posted by luciddream
There is no BELIEFs on atheist's side.
Originally posted by GmoS719
To say "AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD" is an opinion.
You can't pass that off as a fact.
Originally posted by luciddream
Originally posted by adjensen
Originally posted by luciddream
Im still at default of No evidence
Actually, that's an invalid statement -- you cannot say that there is no evidence, which is an absolute conclusion based on non-absolute observations.
The best you (honestly) can manage is something along the lines of "I personally have seen no evidence that I believe demonstrates the existence of God."
Something only one person sees cant be taken as evidence for something like that. There is still 0 evidence if its only 1 person's hallucinations. Does a second person sees the same thing? can he prove his observation? Heck he could be lying, whatever was indoctrinated into people head is what they will see. A christian will see a bearded man, etc etc. and maybe a bright light.edit on 7/10/2012 by luciddream because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SuperFrog
Originally posted by GmoS719
To say "AT DEFAULT there is NO GOD" is an opinion.
You can't pass that off as a fact.
@NewAgeMan - a bit low blow for someone of religion, imho.
Originally posted by luciddream
reply to post by adjensen
Isn't that we we all are doing?
a religious folk could say "i seen evidence which demonstrates god"?
a non-believe would say "i have not seen any evidence for it thus does not exist"?
Originally posted by GmoS719
I was once an atheist and I did have a moment where I called out to God.
He answered so Now I believe.
I have a feeling most atheist will lie and say that this has never happened.
I wouldn't expect honest answers from computer atheists.edit on 10-7-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)edit on 10-7-2012 by GmoS719 because: (no reason given)