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Now Do You Believe in Global Warming?

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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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I have no doubt that humans are one major cause of global warming, be it by action or inaction. There are plenty of examples of consequences of actions and consequences of inaction and mitigating efforts that prove my assertion as valid.

I also agree with you (not particularly on the world government) but on the carbon credit scheme, its a blatant cop out not only to address taking real action but to exploit and contain the developing world. I strongly object to the concept and share your vision there.

As for the world government, we need one, not the one that is evolving but we need one if left alone communities, even states, will never agree to take the large steps that need to be taken in unison. But yes I agree that how things are going we will end with a world government that will only take care of 1% of the world population, if that and will continue to have no respect for future generations.

We are all doomed, from now on it is all downhill. I have no hope on things improving, the changes required are so drastic that they have now become impossible, it would take a large technological leap to keep things together, we may have a chance when we are really all but finished as a species (and the world in shambles), in the cusp of oblivion. Things will really be extremely bad for those that are left to pick up the pieces...




posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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And so you just IGNORE 400,000 years of climate data?

Its just a cycle?

All those pesky scientist are just wrong, the earth is flat, and its at the center of the Solar System.

When we finally wake up, it will already be too late. Some may say, it already is.

Keep denying, doesn't matter any more.

400,000 years of data doesn't lie, nor deny.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:21 AM
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Please show the data for the volcanic co2 release. I don't beleive it.

There is no 258 year cycle to co2, but there is a 400,000 year core sample. Co2 has NEVER been this high in our atmosphere (well, atl least in the past 400,000 years or so) until MAN put it there.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:25 AM
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What has changed is the amount of Co2 in the atmosphere.

It is causing an UNNATURAL change in the climate. No one denies the Earths climate has, is and will continue to change regardless of mans actions upon them.

No one can deny the change in co2 levels in the past 400,000 years and the RAPID increase since the industrial revolution.

Deny ignorance.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:49 AM
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Let me help.....



Look at the Co2 levels. Never been higher. Look what happens to the temps when co2 levels rise.

We should probably be moving toward another Ice Age in the NATURAL CYCLE.

Seems something is holding it off.

Hmmmmmm, wonder what it could be.....cough.....ahem.....US!



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 03:51 AM
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There ya go, NEVER BEEN HIGHER.

Well, at least in the last 400,000 years or so.

So much for the 258 year cycle.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:15 AM
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Originally posted by ErEhWoN
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There ya go, NEVER BEEN HIGHER.

Well, at least in the last 400,000 years or so.

So much for the 258 year cycle.


Good thing you added that "Well, at least in the last 400,000 years." part. I am surprised people think that the drops happen that fast.

Lets look at that graph. According to that graph, the temperatures should of dropped about 2.5k years ago. So tell me how many cars did it take to cause that that trend to stagnate, I mean since we caused the issue back when the Romans were trudging about.

In fact if you ask me, we are in the temp fluctuations before dropping into a ice age, if that graph is accurate.
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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by ErEhWoN
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What has changed is the amount of Co2 in the atmosphere.

It is causing an UNNATURAL change in the climate. No one denies the Earths climate has, is and will continue to change regardless of mans actions upon them.

No one can deny the change in co2 levels in the past 400,000 years and the RAPID increase since the industrial revolution.

Deny ignorance.


Deny ignorance indeed. Have you looked at what you just wrote? The Industrial revolution has been the previous 250 years. Unless Neanderthals 400'000 years ago were also having an industrial revolution?


Like i say, humans are helping to accelerate change but they are certainly not the instigators. Change will happen whether we pump CO2 into the atmosphere or not - it will just happen faster with the rates we are pumping out.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by fenceSitter
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The same way Inhofe used 'Snowmageddon' as proof that climate change does not exist is no different than saying this year's heat wave is proof for the argument. I refuse the take part in that senseless 'tit for tat' debate.
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If you are a skeptic and believe it is all a 'hoax' setup for a 'money grab' then at least stop blaming the scientists and put the blame where it belongs... the capitalists. I think most scientists are trying hard to prove the changes happening on our planet but there will always be greedy people trying to capitalize any way they can.


First of all, you need to learn the difference between Climate Change and ANTHROPOGENIC Climate Change/ ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming...

Climate Change is NATURAL, and occurs ALL THE TIME, meanwhile AGW/ACC (ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming/ANTHROPOGENIC Climate Change) is what people like me, and other skeptics, say are part of a hoax...

Second of all, now you want to blame AGW/ACC on Capitalists?... REALLY?...


You should be blaming it on the SOCIALIST/FASCIST global elites who want to implement a One World SOCIALIST/FASCIST Government...

AGW/ACC, just like the Occupy movement, and the economic crisis are being used as excuses to implement a One World Government. "Capitalism" is not to blame...



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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Like i say, humans are helping to accelerate change but they are certainly not the instigators. Change will happen whether we pump CO2 into the atmosphere or not - it will just happen faster with the rates we are pumping out.


If that was true then the most warming should have been occurring in areas that are sources of anthropogenic CO2, and in fact the opposite is happening...


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Current warmth seems to be occurring nearly everywhere at the same time and is largest at high latitudes in the Northern Hemisphere. Over the last 50 years, the largest annual and seasonal warmings have occurred in Alaska, Siberia and the Antarctic Peninsula. Most ocean areas have warmed. Because these areas are remote and far away from major cities, it is clear to climatologists that the warming is not due to the influence of pollution from urban areas.

www.nasa.gov...

If humans were accelerating global warming then the sources of man-made (anthropogenic) CO2 would have been the regions with the largest warming, but they are not so man-made CO2 is not "accelerating" anything except the growth of plants and all green biomass.

What we do know for a fact is that higher levels of atmosperic CO2 than at present are BENEFITIAL for all life on the planet including plants, trees and all green biomass...



Successful indoor growers implement methods to increase CO2 concentrations in their enclosure. The typical outdoor air we breathe contains 0.03 - 0.045% (300 - 450 ppm) CO2. Research demonstrates that optimum growth and production for most plants occur between 1200 - 1500 ppm CO2. These optimum CO2 levels can boost plant metabolism, growth and yield by 25 - 60%.

www.planetnatural.com...



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 07:25 AM
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Also true, which really just demonstrates that the whole issue is far more complicated than "man warms planet". Fact is Romans used to grow grapes for wine in Northern England. This can only be done now using modern technology. Therefore the UK was warmer during Roman Times than it is now. Then you have fairly regular avalanches in the Peak District during the 1700's, as well as the Thames regularly icing over enough for their to be fairs on it during the 1800's, therefore meaning the UK was far colder than it is now.

In other words, everything changes.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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I think the bigger question is, how do you get an entire population of reasonably intelligent creatures to disbelieve what they can see? Yes it is getting warmer can't you tell? Live in a cave? Just lie for fun or profit? Too afraid to face the truth?

Hopefully everyone knows if you vent your gas furnace directly inside your house it will kill you and everyone in it in less than a day. So if you were to fill every house in America to capacity and vented the furnace into the house, I think it is safe to say that during peak heating season we produce enough monoxide to kill every American every day. Drink a shot of fifty weight motor oil and follow it up with an 8 ounce glass of gasoline and see how long you last. Yet a quick google tells me we in the us use about a gallon of gas per person per day. That is about 8 pounds per person per day every day of something going into the atmosphere. Seriously, how can it not be bad? We don't even achieve 100 percent combustion.

Add ionizing the atmosphere, upper atmospheric atomic testing and all of the other pollutants dispersed at high altitude into the mix. And I ask myself again, how do you get so many to not see what is right before their very own eyes?

I have lived at the same place for almost eleven years now. When I drive to Columbus I have about a 15 mile unubstruced view of the skyline. When I first moved here it was nice and clear and the skyline looked awesome. Now it is nothing but a haze. I can only remember two days in the past several years where it was clear and sharp. Cutting the grass for the last time around thanksgiving, nah, nothing to see here.

I predict we will have a new weather term soon, like three years give or take. It will mean giant tornado!



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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How many Cars, factories, people, are there on the other planets of the solar system??? Has to be close to as many as we have here on earth. Cause if I'm not way off base here, aren't the other planets in our solar system, experiencing what scientists consider equal warming, based on proximity to the sun?

Although as I said before we, "humans" evidently play a part in the change in our enviroment, I feel there are many other factors that are the driving force behind it, that far outweigh the effect we have. Just my opinion again. But as I said while using science as a basis, I thought all planets are warming significantly, so how many polluting cancers do they have on there surface???

SaneThinking



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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I prefer the term Climate Change to Global Warming. I think the term global warming came from a geographical centrist view of the weather and weather changes. Kinda like ethno-centrism.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Scroll all the way to the right on the graph picture.

See the BLUE line?

See the TIME line below?

What has happened to co2 levels in the past 250 years? HIgher than EVER in the past 400,000.

There will be more climate variance (change), more extremes. Highs AND LOWS. More extreme changes.

We are in uncharted waters. We know not of what WE have done.

We have conducted an experiment on ourseleves, our planet. Lets pump up co2 levels to previously unrecorded levels, levels never reached in say, half a million years.

And see what happens.

Watch the news, and you can see what happens.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Let me help all you global warming enthusiasts out here with new information.

Tree -rings prove climate was WARMER in Roman and Medieval times than it is now - and world has been cooling for 2,000 years

Maybe those that also believe in lizard people might believe there's a concerted effort to heat up the environment making it more suitable for lizard life.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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The more important line to look at is the blue line.

The co2 line.

Look at where its at. OFF THE CHART.

IT IS OFF THE CHART> WHAT HAVE WE DONE?

Co2 levels increase every year, and we cry about carbon tax.

Well, that part I agree with. There should be NO TAX. No Cap and Tax.

Only CAP, carbon CAP> We must try to stop the insanity. Although I am one who fears it is already too late.

The damage is done.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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And what have the Co2 levels been in the last 2000 years? Can u find some info on that?

Don't lose focus on the problem by looking only at TEMPS.

Look at the Co2 levels.

Show me the Co2 levels, and give me your thoughts.

And there is nothing to be enthusiastic about. The climate fluctuations will effect you and your family as much as if does mine.

Although 3rd world countries will probably bear the brunt of discontent and death.
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posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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I believe like you this is all cyclical with the weather. I think if the planet is 4 billion years old we would've had situations like this, even before man existed.
I don't see how if they sincerely believe in global climate change or warming whatever you want to call it, why if's coming from chemicals and gases, ask yourselves these questions
1. Why they don't ban commercial flight, if its that "serious"?
2. Why they don't keep people from having private planes?
3. Why don't they improve mass transit, by making it more efficient, and more affordable,for people?

Where I live you can have, especially on the weekends buses that run every hour or forty-five minuts, which is ridiculous and why employers don't wish to hire anyone coming by bus anymore(unless they like to make believe they're a "green" company.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Some folks seem to be forgetting that the world existed before they were born. This exact thing happened in the 30's in the midwest with the heat.. and lets not forget the dustbowl. It happens.. when trees start spontaneously combusting and the oceans drop a significant amount in a short time.. then Ill be very concerned.



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