Russia 'sends six warships to Syria

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posted on Jul, 28 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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I wish people would stop using the Al-Queeda label created by the CIA, there is no AL-Queeda its an amalgamation of terrorist groups that are so decentralized that only the hate they have for the West interference on the region and the state of Israel could be seen as common among them.

Al-Queeda was created as the boogie man on the endless war on terrorism as to provide a easy sell and talk point for the spending and death it generates. It is a unwinnable battle, much like the war on drugs. The solution is a change in policy and stance, to refine the goals to something that really matters and impacts the general world population, not the interests of the military industrial complex and the rest of the war driven corporations.

Extremism is fought by educations and freedom of speech. Islamization of the world is unstoppable by force or direct policy/legislation, by being unfair and being outright antagonistic the more people will flock to join their cause and risk being turned into extremists. A clear distinction and extrusion of religion from states should be enforced (all religions alike). Extremists actions alone will suffice to move people away from those movements if a proper analysis is provided for the people in place of portraying them as robed clown in a cave. Denounce their real intentions and educate people.

Fight international weapons trade that permits this stupid actions from taking place, stop and denounce governments that use terrorist groups to further their agendas like the US, Pakistan and stop outright governmental sanctioned assassination. Capture them and provide a public trail. Abolish death penalty. Stop Israel from treating the Palestinians like the Nazis treated them, this circle of violence has to end. Enforce the UN decisions on the subject. Put the denuclearization of Israel on the table as a way to move Iran from nuclear weapons...

All this silliness is solvable but no one seems to understand that those that can solve it do not want a peaceful solution. They are in fact behind the cause of the problems in the first place...
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posted on Jul, 29 2012 @ 02:12 PM
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Two Chinese warships are heading for the Black Sea. Ludu (Type 052A) class destroyer 113 Qingdao and the Jingkai II (Type 054A) class frigate 538 Yantai. Looks likely that they will visit Sevastopol.

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The two Baltic Fleet vessels that left the Mediterranean are currently off Portugal and heading northwards.
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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I'm surprised that I haven't seen the conspiracy die-hards on ATS creating threads on the Chinese warships? The other conspiracy websites and forums are going bananas over the deployment.

The reality check is that these three Chinese Navy vessels (Destroyer Qingdao, the Frigate Yantai and the supply ship Weishanhuare) are on good will visits after being relieved by another Chinese anti-piracy Task Force in the Gulf of Aden/Horn of Africa. They are scheduled to visit Israel, Turkey, Bulgaria, Romania and Ukraine.


The 11th Chinese naval escort taskforce of the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) left the Gulf of Aden and the waters off Somali coast where the taskforce had conducted escort missions for more than four months and embarked on its new voyage of visits on July 23, 2012. Up to now, the 11th Chinese naval escort taskforce has accomplished 43 escort missions for 184 Chinese and foreign ships, effectively coped with and repelled the harassments by126 suspected pirate boats in 58 batches, and ensured the safety of the escorted ships and the taskforce. After its departure from the waters of the Gulf of Aden, the 11th Chinese naval escort taskforce is scheduled to pay a friendly visit to Ukraine, Romania, Turkey, Bulgaria and Israel successively in two columns. It is the first time for the Chinese naval ships to visit Romania, Bulgaria and Israel.


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These three Chinese Navy vessels were replaced by the vessels of the 12th Escort Taskforce

12th Chinese naval escort taskforce sets sail

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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 08:39 AM
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There was a report that Iran, China, Russia and Syria intended to carry out a large joint excercise in the form of wargames in the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria. This was supposed to happen in June.

english.farsnews.com...


According to informed sources, 90,000 forces from the four countries will take part in the land and sea wargames due to be held in Syria.

Ground, air and sea forces as well as air defense and missile units of the four countries will take part in the exercises.

Sources also said that Egypt has acceded to grant passage to 12 Chinese warships to sail through the Suez Canal, adding that the military convoy is due to dock at the Syrian harbors in the next two weeks.

Russian atomic submarines and warships, aircraft carriers and mine-clearing destroyers as well as Iranian battleships and submarines will also arrive in Syria at around the same date.

Syria plans to test its coast-to-sea and air defense missiles in the wargames.

A sum of 400 warplanes and 1,000 tanks will also be used in the exercises.


Undoubtedly events in Syria have forced an alteration of plans. This, to me is very worrying. I think it means that Russia and China will not act decisively in either a Syrian or an Iranian military emergency.

In a game of "Twenty-one", the Americans appear to be holding twenty, . . . for the forseeable future.
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posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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I never heard anything out of China, but Russia said those exercises weren't going to happen from the start. Iran was pretty much the only ones that said they were going to happen.



posted on Jul, 31 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Any movement of Russian naval forces to waters off Syria puts them that much closer to the Strait of Hormuz. Syria is an interesting preliminary round, but the main event will be in the Persian Gulf. Russia is showing signs of being a no-show to that event. I think Iran will have to go it alone if they want to close the Strait.

Bottom line, I don't think they will close the Strait. I think there will be an eventual diplomatic solution to the nuclear impasse with Iran. Now, whether that will be enough for all interested parties is another thing.



posted on Aug, 1 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by ipsedixit
There was a report that Iran, China, Russia and Syria intended to carry out a large joint excercise in the form of wargames in the Mediterranean off the coast of Syria. This was supposed to happen in June.


Did it ever cross your mind that the stories were fantasy creations? Why would the likes of Debka and other conspiracy websites pad out and make such a fuss over the story? Conspiracy is easy, easy money and all very healthy for their website donations and website hits. At the time the Russians and Chinese had to make official announcements as the fantasy stories spun out of control. In fact the Chinese are still having to make statements as the Chinese Navy vessels making good will visits in the Black Sea/Mediterranean are causing hype and hysteria in the conspiracy world.

From June


BEIJING, June 20 (Xinhua) -- China on Wednesday said there was no truth to an Iranian media report about a joint military drill involving China, Russia, Syria and Iran. "The report is groundless," said Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei at a regular press briefing.


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The Russian Defense Ministry called such reports "disinformation" and the Russian news agency Interfax quoted an adviser to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as saying it was not true. "There will be nothing like that. This is one of those (pieces of) false information that are distributed about (Syria)," Interfax quoted Bouthaina Shabaan, the adviser who was in Moscow on Tuesday, as saying.


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And still the fantasy claims have prompted the Chinese to release further press statements.

www.globaltimes.cn...


The Ministry of National Defense (MND) denied foreign reports that China dispatched a destroyer to Syria to join the naval drill there, the Global Times reported Tuesday. According to ynetnews.com, the Egyptian daily Al-Shuruk reported Sunday that a Chinese destroyer sailed through the Suez Canal in Egypt into the Mediterranean Sea, and that the destroyer could be heading for the Syrian coast where four countries including China and Syria are reportedly holding naval military drills.


Are you starting to get the picture that the original story was bogus? One of the Chinese warships is currently visiting NATO nation Romania until 4th August and the other is visiting Ukraine until the 5th August. They are also scheduled to visit Israel.

turkishnavy.net...



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 07:44 AM
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Thanks for the info.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that the press can be deceitful?


Gimme a break.

It is quite a limb to crawl out on for an official or semi-official press mouthpiece of a national state to concoct such an absurd claim of a large wargame to be participated in by four very well known states, two of which are considered "great powers", with absolutely no substance to the report.

The truth of this matter probably lies somewhere between the extremes. I will say that Iran is maladroit when it comes to international diplomacy, but I don't believe they are fabricating planned wargames out of thin air.

However, it could be that for obscure reasons of state (US intervention, for example), China and Russia are, on their part, making wargames that were in some stage of discussion, disappear into thin air.



posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 05:21 PM
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Take a look at the news source? Fars is taking the information from Syrian Sham Life news website. It was a fabrication from the start. The ShamLife report, titled “The largest military exercise in the Middle East – Russia, Syria, China and Iran in ‘World War III rehearsal,’” Ask yourself why Syrian pro Assad media would invent a story of all these nations flexing muscle in support of Assad and for it to be re-posted on a pro Syrian Iranian news agency? Where was the reporting on the official Iranian news agency website IRNA? All it was is a massive ego boosting invented story that got out of control and spun on Fars. All you have to do is look at the details of this massive exercise.

They were claiming that 400 warplanes would be taking part in the exercise. Really? It was something like Sorcha Faal would create. Ask yourself how these 400 aircraft would get to the region to participate? Remember they are claiming specifically that air units from all four of the countries would be taking part. Ask yourself which countries neighbouring Syria are going to permit overflight passage for these warplanes? Certainly not Turkey and certainly not Iraq with its US influence and dodgy relations with Syria. It was a non-sense from the start and that is what prompted the robust statements from the Russians and Chinese.

All it did was tick all the boxes of die-hard conspiracy theorists that desperately wanted Russia, China and Iran to flex muscle in the region. The Fars News Agency which isn't obviously the official news agency simply lapped it up quoting Sham Life and it went viral.

Some of the remaining elements of the Russian Task Force will enter the Black Sea during August 11-12th.


Turkish authorities were informed through diplomatic channels that Russian warships would pass Black Sea straits in Aug 11-12. Passage of straits Dardanelles and Bosporus by Russian Navy's Northern Fleet (NF) task force comprising three landing ships – Alexander Otrakovsky, Georgy Pobedonosets, and Kondopoga – is fully complies with the Montreux Convention as of overall displacement of a task force passing through the Turkish straits. Visit of Novorossiysk Naval Base will be held in accordance with the cruise plan which main purpose is to perform interfleet trip. In Novorossiysk, NF ships will replenish water, food, and fuel supplies.


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Two of the Russian Navy vessels originally deployed in the Mediterranean are currently in the North Sea after transiting the English Channel. They are currently off Denmark and about to enter the Baltic.

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posted on Aug, 2 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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I take your points to a certain degree, but personally, I doubt that there was no substance whatever to the notion of wargames involving the countries in question. My instincts tell me that there must have been some germ of international cooperation at the origin of this story, but that things fell apart for some reason.

People with these connections and relationships don't just make stuff up out of nothing, especially when it concerns important international allies and business partners.

en.wikipedia.org...


Fars News Agency (FNA) is a news agency in Iran. While it describes itself as "Iran's leading independent news agency",[1] news organizations such as CNN[2] and Reuters[3] describe it as a "semi-official" news agency with ties to the government. The Wall Street Journal has stated the agency is affiliated with the Revolutionary Guard Corps.[4]

Its managing director Saeid Noubari is a former head of the public relations office of the Tehran Justice Department. FNA's managing editor Mehdi Fazaeli is also the spokesman of Iran's Association of Muslim Journalists.



posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Fars not being fully official tends to pander to the more fanatical side of the news. Someone at Sham Life simply invented the story as a feel good creation and it got out of hand. The reality was that neither China or Russia are going to get themselves embroiled into such a proposed exercise that involves Syrian and Iranian forces. It just send out all the wrong signals.

Even Russia has been frustrated with Assad and has put on hold arms deliveries such as the overhauled Syrian Mi-25 Hinds and the sale of Yak-130s. Such a large scale exercise would have resulted in it being interpreted as direct support to Assad. That is why both Russia and China quickly distanced themselves from the story. Neither Russia or China are going to get themselves dragged into a conflict in support of Assad. The claims that the four nations were going to conduct joint amphibious landing drills along the Syrian shore was just someone's wet dream fantasy.

All three of the Chinese Navy vessels are now in the Black Sea on their good will visits.

Chinese Navy Destroyer Qingdao Comes To Sevastopol

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First Chinese frigate in the Black Sea attracts tourists in the Romanian port of Constanta

www.romania-insider.com...

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posted on Aug, 4 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Russia is also keen to downplay the Task Force that is currently on exercise in the Mediterranean. In no shape or form do the Russians want to portray it as support for Assad. To the Russians Tartus is simply a logistical base.

Russia Denies That Its Marines Are Bound For Syria

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Russian Task Force Replenishes Supplies at Sea, Not in Syria


Russian warships deployed in the Mediterranean Sea will not call at Syrian port Tartus to replenish supplies, writes RBC referring to Russian Defense Ministry's press service. At present, the Russian Navy's interfleet force has started replenishing supplies by means of auxiliary vessels. These functions are performed by Black Sea Fleet (BSF) oiler Ivan Bubnov and salvage tug MB-304. When the replenishment is over, the task force will continue deployment program. It is planned that the ships will enter the Black Sea in order to call at Novorossiysk Naval Base.


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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:28 PM
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Russian Warships Set Course for West Mediterranean Without call at Novorossiysk

Russian Navy's interfleet task group set a course for western Mediterranean, reports B-Port referring to RIA Novosti and an insider in Russian defense ministry. Earlier on, Russian military reported that landing ships of the task force would call at Novorossiysk on Aug 12. The task force consists of Northern Fleet (NF) landing ships Alexander Otrakovsky, Georgy Pobedonosets, Kondopoga, Baltic Fleet (BF) frigates Yaroslav Mudry and Neustrashimy, and Black Sea Fleet (BSF) supply vessels – replenishment oiler Ivan Bubnov and salvage tug MB-304.

"As for now, the ships have passed Italy and are heading westward holding combat training tasks in the central part of the Mediterranean Sea", said the interviewee, however, refusing to specify the reason for changed route of NF landing ships. As for him, the ships will accomplish some other tasks including joint maneuvering in intensive shipping areas, antiaircraft and antisubmarine defenses in littoral zones, search-and-rescue and logistic support of a task unit at sea. Last weekend, the task force effectively held tactical drill with use of onboard gun and missile systems, and replenished water and fuel supplies.


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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Looks like the Russian Navy Task Force is heading further west and possibly moving towards leaving the Mediterranean? The Baltic Fleet Tug SB-921 previously with the Task Force is currently making its way back out of the Baltic after returning last month. Possibly a rendezvous and support with the returning Task Force vessels?

Russian Navy's Task Force Approaches Sardinia

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The three Chinese Navy vessels after making a goodwill visit to the Black Sea are now in Israel. These three Chinese Navy vessels are from the off going Task Force previously on anti-piracy missions in the Red Sea/Horn of Africa.


Three Chinese warships from the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) docked in Haifa Aug. 13 for a five-day visit here as guests of the Israel Navy. Led by Rear Adm. Yang Junfei, deputy commander of the PLAN’s North China Sea Fleet, the Chinese contingent will tour multiple sites throughout the country in honor of the 20th anniversary of diplomatic ties between Jerusalem and Beijing.


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posted on Aug, 16 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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They may want to wait and prepare themselves....I mean the Russians...at that stage China, India and other asian countries become important, and even Latin America...every country will be asked to choose sides..if the US attacks...because it is also possible that they dont attack, and just keep control of the area...but still Russia would be "sitting on hot coal".....



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 05:11 AM
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The M/V Alaed (The vessel that originally had the Syrian Hind attack helicopters onboard) has transited the Suez Canal on its way to the Russian Far East.

2012-08-15T23:55:00 (UTC)

Lat/Lon: 28.17355 / 33.293571
Speed/Course: 13.9 kn / 145°

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Update on the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean


Russian Navy Med Sea Group to Split After Drills A combined-fleet group of Russian Navy ships in the Mediterranean Seawill split into two groups following completion of its duties, Russia's Defense Ministry said on Friday. "On August 17, the combined fleet group of the Russian Navy, having successfully completed a range of duties in the central region of the Mediterranean, will arrive in the Alboran region of the sea [its most western part] where it plans to re-store," a Navy spokesman said. The group consists of the large amphibious landing ships Alexander Ostrovsky, Georgy Pobedonosets, and Kondopoga, and also the Baltic Fleet frigates Yaroslav Mudry and Neustrashimy. The navy said the three landing ships will then leave for the Atlantic, where they will take part in more exercises. The second group of frigates will remain in the Mediterranean and undertake exercises related to prevension of illegal arms trafficking and anti-terrorism.


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The Chinese Navy warships are probably now near the end of their visit to Israel. Video of Chinese warships arriving in Israel.



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posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 05:15 AM
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Russia is not going to risk wwIII over Assad or for Ahmadenijad for that matter.


Maybe so, but Im willing to bet that the US will just for the nose to spite the face. Rusia and China are clearly being goaded here...and the US doesn't care who knows it.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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i agree its gotten quite quiet





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