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***Shock Poll*** Report: 83% of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare!!

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by PvtHudson
When did ATS become over run with big government, big brother, establishment supporters?


That's nothing new, it has always been that way.




posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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In order for MD's in private practice to stay afloat financially they HAVE to maximize their patient throughput which is why few are able to take on new patients. They're maxed-out as it is. So what we'll do here in the U.S. is ditch any kind of 'universal' health care and do what we're currently doing: just have the uninsured go to the ER where care is free. Unlike private medical practices, hospital ER's have an unlimited capacity to absorb people who are unable to pay. They just factor the losses incurred through unisured treatment into their fees and spread that out over those who DO pay. It's a perfectly reasonable system... until a trip to the ER starts costing $20,000 and everyone's health insurance is more than their mortgage.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
So under Obamacare, doctors get more business?

But most of them aren't taking new patients anyway, and Obamacare won't FORCE them to take on the new patient load, it will just mean that USA will need more doctors to deal with the higher number of people with medical coverage.

We have thousands of people in my home town who can't get in to a regular doctor because they're not taking new patients. Isn't this the same in the USA?

Surely Gov't won't be able to force doctors to take on new patients when they're already full ?



Why not? Once we accept the notion that the government can mandate one set of behaviors (say purchasing insurance) then we must accept the notion that other behaviors can be mandated. There is already a movement to make taking medicare mandatory, at the cost of license removal. This has already happened in Mass.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:30 PM
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Then you had the nerve to invoke Palin into your argument, if your in the medical field i feel sorry for those you treat. Palin? Really come on now your supposed to be educated.
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If you had an ounce of sense, and were able to read correctly, you would see that i said I WAS ACCUSED OF BELIEVING AS PALIN DID ABOUT THE DEATH PANELS!!!! I never invoked Palin in my opinion, not once!!!!

As far as your other smart ass comment, Ask the patients, whose lives I have helped save.....no need to feel sorry for them! How many lives have you saved? It is low brow comments like yours that lower the standards
of the ATS community. Learn how to debate intelligently by attacking the message not the messenger!

Pax



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Here is an interview on the exact topic from 2010.....Please watch it hopefully it will open some minds.....Yeah, yeah attack me because its Fox news!!! Please get past that, because the interviewer from Fox takes your stand and ask the tough questions! Please lets stay on topic.

Thank you,
Pax

edit on 7/10/2012 by paxnatus because: typo



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by paxnatus



Eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, according to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association.

The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients,

The DPMA found that many doctors do not believe the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will lead to better access to medical care for the majority of Americans, co-founder of the DPMA Kathryn Serkes told The DC.


I have a couple of questions for the ATS community:


And I have a couple of questions for you...on a site that purportedly "Denies Ignorance"???...

NON PARTISAN?????

The DPMA...Founder Kathryn Serkes..

Sure enough, she owns the site..

WhoIs...

Domain ID
157553043-LROR
Domain Name
OCTORSANDPATIENTS.ORG
Registrant Name:kathryn serkes
Registrant Organization:square one media

From an article titled "Beware of “Faux” Conservatives Posing as Tea Party"


Representatives of almost 30 conservative, Tea Party and limited government groups, representing millions, will affirm their opposition to the billthat would make E-Verify mandatory for all workers and businesses, according to Kathryn Serkes of Take Back Washington. Last week, the group launched a media campaign and sent a letter to Congress outlining their concerns.

“Many of us are taking some heat for our action, but we stand by it because in no way does it compromise our position against illegal immigration, ” said Kathryn Serkes of Take Back Washington. “This is a great opportunity to discuss the negative unintended consequences of well-intentioned actions out of Congress.”

bejohngalt.com...




Role in Defeating Clinton Health Plan

According to her biography on the DPMA website, "for more than 16 years, [Serkes] served as public affairs and policy consultant for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, representing that group during it’s litigation against the Hillary Clinton and the White House Health Care Task Force, and helping to spur the national coalition that lead to the defeat of the Clinton health plan."[4]

History in the PR Business

According to DPMA, Serkes "is also president and founder of Square One Media Network, a strategic communications firm serving clients such as Boeing, Sheraton Hotels, Continental Airlines, Time Warner Communications, Washington State Dairy Commission, Washington Health Care Association, and the State of Washington since 1985. Offices are located in Seattle and Washington D.C."

www.sourcewatch.org...


For the love of God...she was the campaign manager for Tea Party Poser and extremist Clint Didier for the US Senate in 2010



Didier chief campaign adviser Kathryn Serkes, of Square One Media Network in Bellevue, told ..

palousitics.blogspot.com...


NON-PARTISAN??????????????
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by PvtHudson
When did ATS become over run with big government, big brother, establishment supporters?


That's nothing new, it has always been that way.


When did it get over-run with outright propaganda BS???

This survey was BUNK.....



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by PvtHudson
When did ATS become over run with big government, big brother, establishment supporters?


That's nothing new, it has always been that way.


When did it get over-run with outright propaganda BS???

This survey was BUNK.....


Thanks and agreed. As I stated earlier in a post no one seems to care about, only 4.3% of the 16,000 doctors asked even bothered to respond. I think it is a telling statement that the number is so low. It suggests that in reality, there is only a TINY minority who actually would "quit" over ObamaCare - not the other way around - In fact is shows an OVERHELMING MAJORITY couldn't even be bothered to answer such an asinine poll. Amazing how ignorance is not being denied in relation to the OP - a bogus and false (ie HOAX) thread all the way - hey mods - why not move this to the HOAX bin where it belongs?

CJ



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:34 PM
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if they didn't quit over capitated payments from HMO's, they aren't going to quit over this

was a load of nonsense



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:39 PM
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Yes...and the same woman who runs the "Doctors and Patients org" site runs this site... www.takebackwashington.org...

Actually it is a dis-service to call her a Tea Partyer...she only poses as a TPer, when in reality she runs a PR firm "Media One" where she takes money to rile up TPers for her clients agenda.

This was clearly apparent when she fought to OPPOSE E-VERIFY...which required employers to make sure they were not hiring illegals. She tried to convince the TP that they could still oppose E-Verify while at the same time opposing illegal immigration.

Just hilarious...she was working for the business lobby that makes good money employing Illegal Immigrants.

See my earlier post on "TP Posers"



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by ColoradoJens
 


Yes...and the same woman who runs the "Doctors and Patients org" site runs this site... www.takebackwashington.org...

Actually it is a dis-service to call her a Tea Partyer...she only poses as a TPer, when in reality she runs a PR firm "Media One" where she takes money to rile up TPers for her clients agenda.

This was clearly apparent when she fought to OPPOSE E-VERIFY...which required employers to make sure they were not hiring illegals. She tried to convince the TP that they could still oppose E-Verify while at the same time opposing illegal immigration.

Just hilarious...she was working for the business lobby that makes good money employing Illegal Immigrants.

See my earlier post on "TP Posers"


Thanks for pointing that out. Considering the hilarity and lies of the "poll" I love this highlighted quote from her website:


Wouldn’t it be nice to have a grown-up conversation about issues with each other even if we disagree?
;
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Grown-up conversations require grown-ups. She is clearly not one.

CJ



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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So people didn't have too many problems when Tucker worked for that "unbiased news network CNN" now did they?

A poll is a poll be it from the ultra liberal Time magazine,Cnn,Msnbc and whoever else there is.

When doctors have to consider the shrinking reimbursement rates for medicare,medicaid, then add millions more new people in to that system they should consider quitting.

Then add special practioners make more than other "doctors" which means not every doctor is a cardiologist for example, and then when one adds the poll that half of the country did not even want Obamac are the poll makes sense after all doctors are the ones who are mostly effected.

In this country there are 70 million on medicare,50-60 on medicaid, and then some genius's said let's add 30 million more to that system which could already not pay it's bills in the first place-needs healthcare that corporate product which brings one back to the financial crisis of 2008.

Everyone needs a free home they got one.
Everyone needs a free education they get one.
Everyone needs free healthcare and they got one.

History sure does love to repeat because looks like not a damn person in Washington or the supporters of Obama care learned a damn thing.

Can't blame any doctor considering quitting why wouldn't they?

The largest healthcare insurer is the US Federal Goverment to the tune of over 120 soon to be 150 million Americans.

People do not see a problem with that?
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Well, I guess a poll is a poll. When 95% of those polled don't even bother to respond it should tell you something about the question asked. I suppose we'll see how many of those (out of the 4.3% who responded) actually do what they say they are going to do - based on the numbers, you are looking at maybe 100 who might actually believe in what they say...big deal.

CJ
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by babybunnies
 


In order for MD's in private practice to stay afloat financially they HAVE to maximize their patient throughput which is why few are able to take on new patients. They're maxed-out as it is. So what we'll do here in the U.S. is ditch any kind of 'universal' health care and do what we're currently doing: just have the uninsured go to the ER where care is free. Unlike private medical practices, hospital ER's have an unlimited capacity to absorb people who are unable to pay. They just factor the losses incurred through unisured treatment into their fees and spread that out over those who DO pay. It's a perfectly reasonable system... until a trip to the ER starts costing $20,000 and everyone's health insurance is more than their mortgage.


Really? what expenses? after they pay the 150-200 thousand back for school, their expenses should not be that much.
Average.. 2008 general practitioners were $186,044 in 2008. Specialists usually made more, about $339,738 per year.

Care is not free in the ER, if you have any kind of collateral, like a home or money in the bank you will be sued for it if you owe a bill, and the ER is hugely expensive, so if you have anything at all to lose you don't want to go there.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by babybunnies
 


In order for MD's in private practice to stay afloat financially they HAVE to maximize their patient throughput which is why few are able to take on new patients. They're maxed-out as it is. So what we'll do here in the U.S. is ditch any kind of 'universal' health care and do what we're currently doing: just have the uninsured go to the ER where care is free. Unlike private medical practices, hospital ER's have an unlimited capacity to absorb people who are unable to pay. They just factor the losses incurred through unisured treatment into their fees and spread that out over those who DO pay. It's a perfectly reasonable system... until a trip to the ER starts costing $20,000 and everyone's health insurance is more than their mortgage.


making everybody cover the cost for those who cant ......that sounds pretty socialist to me (not that i believe that is the driving factor behind the obscene cost)
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:25 PM
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and others will take there place..



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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Perhaps everyone moaning about doctors being in the red should complain about the costs of medical school and force the universities to lower their rates so that we can have more doctors. How about that socialist idea?

CJ



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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The statistics prove you wrong at every turn. There's no need for me to post them here. They are readily available to the public and back my argument 100%. You are heavily misinformed.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by jtma508
reply to post by babybunnies
 


In order for MD's in private practice to stay afloat financially they HAVE to maximize their patient throughput which is why few are able to take on new patients. They're maxed-out as it is. So what we'll do here in the U.S. is ditch any kind of 'universal' health care and do what we're currently doing: just have the uninsured go to the ER where care is free. Unlike private medical practices, hospital ER's have an unlimited capacity to absorb people who are unable to pay. They just factor the losses incurred through unisured treatment into their fees and spread that out over those who DO pay. It's a perfectly reasonable system... until a trip to the ER starts costing $20,000 and everyone's health insurance is more than their mortgage.


Really? what expenses? after they pay the 150-200 thousand back for school, their expenses should not be that much.
Average.. 2008 general practitioners were $186,044 in 2008. Specialists usually made more, about $339,738 per year.

Care is not free in the ER, if you have any kind of collateral, like a home or money in the bank you will be sued for it if you owe a bill, and the ER is hugely expensive, so if you have anything at all to lose you don't want to go there.


THere is a lot more expense to a practice than just paying back a med school loan. You have to employ staff: front office, nurses, billing, techs, and so forth. You have malpractice insurance, liability insurance, renter's/owners insurance. Health insurance for your staff, disability insurance. You have to pay for overhead: power, lights, heat, a/c. You have to pay for maintenance on your building or rent on it. You have the payments for the equipment or rent on the equipment like EKG, X-ray, and so forth. Consumables are very expensive. If you do in office procedures, for example.

Medicine is very expensive to practice and the independant practitioner is slowly going away. Don't like corporations involved with healthcare? Well, this law and other laws are driving physicians into either corporate or governmental systems.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee

Really? what expenses? after they pay the 150-200 thousand back for school, their expenses should not be that much.
Average.. 2008 general practitioners were $186,044 in 2008. Specialists usually made more, about $339,738 per year.

Care is not free in the ER, if you have any kind of collateral, like a home or money in the bank you will be sued for it if you owe a bill, and the ER is hugely expensive, so if you have anything at all to lose you don't want to go there.


On top of that:

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842

CDC

Are the top four causes of death


Emergency rooms do not treat chronic conditions.They will treat an acute heart attack, stroke etc., but do not treat the underlying cause. The only requirement is to stabilize the patient, then they can kick them out the door. Most people die of conditions that takes months or years to kill.

As far as i am concerned, the "Emergency rooms treat everybody" argument is a complete straw man.



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