It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

***Shock Poll*** Report: 83% of Doctors Have Considered Quitting Over Obamacare!!

page: 3
21
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:03 AM
link   

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by Lighterside
 


I'm not buying it until "9 out of 10 doctors recommend it."



Not me, I consider these statistics dubious at best until "4 out of 5 dentists recommend it". (For those in Arkansas, a dentist is a doctor that works on teeth). Just messin' with Arkansas, a lot of people don't know it but the toothbrush was invented in Arkansas. Anywhere else and it would have been called a "teethbrush".




posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:05 AM
link   
reply to post by paxnatus
 


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Next move is to add central and south America to the welfare rolls.
edit on 10-7-2012 by Numbers33four because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:16 AM
link   

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by paxnatus
 


Classic. Out of all of the faxes sent to doctors, 4.3% responded. . And then out of the 4.3% who responded, you got this number. Strange you'd get a result touting such BS from 4.3% of the doctors surveyed. I guess the other 95.7% thought it such a joke they didn't even bother. The study is bogus and the results and any "reality" associated with it are bogus. What a joke. Seriously, did you even read the article?

Again, approximately 96 out of 100 doctors found the poll question so stupid they didn't even respond.

CJ
edit on 10-7-2012 by ColoradoJens because: (no reason given)


Autch!! No holding back towards the poor, deluded tea-people ey?

Overhere we got a two-tier system that consists of a government sanctioned 'base-Package' that éverybody has to pay for., and one can obtain extra insurance for stuff like orthodontistry, physical therapy, etc.

It's a far cry from what we hád (socialized medicine) and looks like Obamacare (or rather "heritage foundation-care" a detail óften omitted, because it reveals an inconvenient truth).

Net-result was that the insurers tried to take over, but got slapped with só many rules from the Government, that they can hardly fárt without getting explicit Permission from the State.
Let's put it this way: they weremightily sorry they tried to lobby us into a "for profit" healthcare system.

They recently triedit again with dentistry. As a test, the State let dentist decide their own prices... Guess what.. Overnight dentistry became 20 to 25% more expensive. The test has been stopped, much to the chagrin of the dentists, that had hoped for a nice little boondoggle.. Alás.. They couldn't stoptheir own greed...

As it looks now, an old-fashioned social-democrat coalition will steal the elections in September, and the privatization of healthcare, once touted as the panacée for al woes, is about to be scrapped.

Báck to socialized medicine. (and báck to Mandatory half-year checks at the dentist.. Ugh!...
)

There is ONE major difference in the way the medical profession is treated overhere: Tort-reform is not needed, because we hardly èver have people sue doctors. We do not have a "sue-culture" mainly because when a procedure gets haywire, all further expenses for treatment and such, are paid from a central fund, and becoming unable to hold a job, is not the end, because there are catch-nets aplenty built into our society.

No-one has èver gone broke on healthcare costs. Néver, éver.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:17 AM
link   
Coming from the medical field I can tell you this. The primary reason doctors quit or abandon their specialty is due to skyrocketing professional (e.g., malpractice) insurance. Most people would find it difficult to believe but it is VERY difficult to keep a private practice profitable as a result. To do so requires running a high volume of patients through the practice every month. Hence the 15min doctor visit. My brother was a primary care physician. I know how this works first-hand.

Notwithstanding the sketchy motives behind the 'impartial' study you will find (if you choose to read it) that they polled physicians in private practice. The concerns raised are that the physician shortage (intentionally engineered by the AMA, btw) will lead to over-burdened private practices which are already running at maximum volumes due to the profitability issues raised above. As more people are able to see private physicians there is concern about the level of care these physicians can provide when they are swamped.

What the study chooses NOT to do is poll hospitals where they would get a resoundingly different result. All these people who cannot currently see private doctors are delaying treatment and ending up in emergency rooms. Since they have no insurance and the hospital cannot deny care the hospitals eat the cost of caring for all those people who typically require more expensive treatment because they are not receiving adequate preventative medical care. As a result, hospitals are under serious financial stress and many have closed or been forced to scale-back operations.

'Obamacare' may not be a perfect solution but the status quo is entirely unsustainable. Community hospitals are being forced to close and in some areas of the country you now need to travel hundreds of miles for a hospital. Something has to be done and quickly. The majority of people fighting healthcare reform have a financial stake in maintaining the status quo. It's almost always about the money.

What needs to be done immediately is:

1. Tell the AMA to back-off and expand the roles for Physicians Assistants and Nurse Practitioners

2. Fast-track tort reform to significantly reduce the cost of malpractice and other professional insurance

3. Incent more young people to enter primary care medicine as either MD's, PA's or NP's

4. Hyper-aggressively hunt-down medicare/medicaid fraud including establishing significant bounties for turning perpetrators in. Strip all property protection from individuals/companies convicted of medicaid/medicare fraud.

5. Establish a 3-strike rule for attorneys bringing frivolous medical law suits. Either execute them or have them lose their licenses for 3-5yrs

6. Broaden Health Savings Accounts (HSA's)


Gotta fix this mess or people are going to be really shocked when it all comes un-glued.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:49 AM
link   
Being a Doctor in Texas ,I believe the number 83% is low. We are thankful that our state is not participating in it. What I see is an increase in Physician Assistants and Nurse practitioners taking over. We as doctors have shot ourselves in the foot by having let these 2 disiplines take over. How hard is it to be a doctor? We just write out scripts all day, because that is what people want! Our healthcare has been going downhill for a long time, ever since big pharma has taken over. Honestly patients see a commercial of a happy family, people smiling, just enjoying life and they associatethat with the drug.They feel if they take it then they will be teleported into that life.
If I don't write a script for it then they go from doc to doc until one writes the script.Sometimes I wonder if it is worth the battles of not giving in to the big pharma complex. My practice is more and more holistic and less and less drugs, and getting better results than other docs in the same specialty. I believe more and more docs are waking up to this realization.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:30 AM
link   
When did ATS become over run with big government, big brother, establishment supporters?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:43 AM
link   
This is going to sound crazy but if opiates were declared legal and free, emergency rooms would be largely empty. Its insane what people say and do to get pain pills from the ER. They are " Frequent Flyers".



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:44 AM
link   
The poll is silly if you ask me .. Doctors won't quit, they are just mad because they might see their pay checks drop a little as the Government seeks a better deal on treatment costs..Doctors in the united states average higher than any other place on the planet ( in 2007 a GP was averaging over $160 thousand USD per year, a specialist was averaging $230k per year ) .... a GP with an established practice also averages about 6 weeks paid vacation per year as well, some even go 8-10 ... I admire medical professionals, don't get me wrong.. but when you look at the cost of diagnostic testing, hospital visits and all of those things, even medication in the USA compared to the rest of the world you can see a huge disparity..

That's the problem here in the USA .. We seem to think it's normal for health care to be a business when it should be a basic right ..The fact we let it run as a business has caused the costs to skyrocket over time and big pharma holds heavy blame there as well .. the cost of a drug in the USA is typically many times higher than the same drug in another country.. greed

We don't have any problem at all that requiring car insurance is fine, if you don't have that you risk losing your license and face fines .. no problem there.. It just doesn't make much sense to me..


edit on 7/10/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:44 AM
link   
reply to post by PvtHudson
 


The political right does not have a monopoly on conspiracy or distrust for the government. Look at the Occupy Movement. You can believe in the basic principles of government actions, whether it is supporting a war on the right or supporting social programs on the left, without trusting the government to do it with wisdom or good intentions. Sometimes you just gotta work with a guy, even though you're hoping the boss will come to his senses and fire that guy soon.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:54 AM
link   

Originally posted by The Vagabond
reply to post by PvtHudson
 


The political right does not have a monopoly on conspiracy or distrust for the government. Look at the Occupy Movement.


You mean the pro-current government, pro-establishment, pro-MSM and pro-Obama occupy movement? They're whole premise depends on big, intrusive government. Have you ever compared the MSM tea party coverage to the fawning and supportive coverage they gave OWS? Why does the MSM and Democrat party support OWS so much? I'll tell you right now it's not because they're anti-establishment.
edit on 10-7-2012 by PvtHudson because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:04 PM
link   
reply to post by paxnatus
 


Let me get this straight... They were perfectly okay with people dying because they couldn't afford treatment and holding children hostage basically while their parents bankrupt themselves trying to save them. And yet they want to quit over Obamacare. You know what? To hell with American doctors. They make me sick.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:40 PM
link   
reply to post by Lighterside
 


My hats off to you.



When I first saw that headline I too smelled the proverbial B.S. but you have better detective skills than I do so thanks for finding what I could not.

It is people like you that makes this community a great place. You smelled a lie, found the lie, and shone light on the truth.

Great job and keep it up.
edit on 7/10/2012 by Classified Info because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:29 PM
link   
reply to post by paxnatus
 


I do know that my Mother in Sacramento Ca, had a very hard time finding a Dr that would take medicare patients. The .Gov just does not pay on time and they have a ton of paperwork, so if they are expanding this where will they find Drs?

We had insurance for a short time when we was able to get in a group policy... later had to let some workers go and could no longer have a policy so have been uninsured again.

While we had the insurance we could not find a Dr who would see us with the insurance we had. The Doctors hate dealing with the insurance and in small towns or depressed areas especially they just don't take you.

So what good is medical insurance if you can't find a Doctor!



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:33 PM
link   
Doctors set limit on how many patients they see each day. The reason they don't spend a lot of time with each patient is due to them wanting to make more money.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:42 PM
link   

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by paxnatus
 


Let me get this straight... They were perfectly okay with people dying because they couldn't afford treatment and holding children hostage basically while their parents bankrupt themselves trying to save them. And yet they want to quit over Obamacare. You know what? To hell with American doctors. They make me sick.


you see that's where you're missing the proper information. no one in the USA can be denied medical treatment if they go to the emergency room, NO ONE. please don't clog up the thread with false information and rants about false information topics.

on a side note we are being strangled by insurance companies and their brother big pharma. the doctors and hospitals are loosing their asses more and more each day because of it. here's the kicker, when the fed govt. wanted insight and guidance on the new obama care bill guess who they asked to help them right it up? yeah you guessed it, insurance companies and big pharma. it's a complete F'ing joke!



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:46 PM
link   

Originally posted by KeliOnyx
reply to post by PrinceDreamer
 


Exactly the only real reason there is a projected shortage of doctors and engineers for that matter is the lack of opportunity for the education. When faced with taking on any large kind of debt for education believe it or not people do ask themselves what if I fail? Is that risk worth it? As it is now just a basic education is enough to bury you for large portions of your life in debt before you even get started. Start issuing serious targeted tax incentives in key fields you want to fill and the students will apply.

As to the OP you lost any chance of being taken seriously when you used a small sampled poll 86% of 699 doctors really? They couldn't find an even 700? And why would anyone take this virtually unheard of DPMA even the slightest bit seriously when the well known and respected AMA endorses this bill? Then you had the nerve to invoke Palin into your argument, if your in the medical field i feel sorry for those you treat. Palin? Really come on now your supposed to be educated.


You do have a valid point about risk vs reward when it comes to taking on a long and difficult educational process.

As for the AMA, only a minority of physicians are even members of that organization, so the AMA certainly does not speak for a majority of physicians, Many physicians, including myself, left the AMA when it evolved into more of a political organization rather than professional one.

Is a personal insult to the OP necessary? One can disagree, of course, but one does not have to stoop to personal attacks.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:47 PM
link   
All the vitriolic insults! Nice!!!...........

For a few of you who get it, thank you!! For the rest of you who have their hands in the sand, do some
research!! You will soon see how Obamacare is going to be disastrous to the health care field period!!


It is going to effect the quality of care you receive. The doctors will be completely overwhelmed and will not
be able to keep up with the demands!! Not because they choose not to but because it will be physically impossible.
Why would anyone choose to go into medicine when the end result will be govt. making the decisions on how and
what you can be treated for!!!!

You are completely delusional if you think Obamacare is going to be your answer to solve your medical problems!!

You will find out sooner than later how you have allowed yourselves to be conned by this charlatan!!!
Don't be stupid!! Obozo has told lie after lie throughout his political career!! How much BS are you gonna
swallow!!



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:53 PM
link   
So when American doctors quit the practice, will govt just bring foreigners in to fill the shoes? Is that the plan? Will they be people from socialist countries who don't care about freedom?
edit on 10-7-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:59 PM
link   

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So when American doctors quit the practice, will govt just bring foreigners in to fill the shoes? Is that the plan? Will they be people from socialist countries who don't care about freedom?
edit on 10-7-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)


probably not, they'll just explain how this new utopian health care comes at a price, 3-6 month waiting list for an appointment.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:03 PM
link   
So under Obamacare, doctors get more business?

But most of them aren't taking new patients anyway, and Obamacare won't FORCE them to take on the new patient load, it will just mean that USA will need more doctors to deal with the higher number of people with medical coverage.

We have thousands of people in my home town who can't get in to a regular doctor because they're not taking new patients. Isn't this the same in the USA?

Surely Gov't won't be able to force doctors to take on new patients when they're already full ?



new topics

top topics



 
21
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join