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Pennsylvania city workers to take mayor to court over across-the-board minimum wage salaries

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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:40 PM
Can't people see where this is going ?
TPTB are just hitting the reset button .
Once everyone is making minimum wage then there will be "WORK FOR EVERYONE! "
Just have to rob all the pensions kill medicare and S.S.I. .......... Oh yea, and take away the guns.
It's almost over folks.

posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:46 PM

posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:50 PM
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

This is bad news, and hopefully not the start of a trend. As the article states, though, could just be a tactic the Mayor is using to scare people in to getting his way.

Either way, it's a rock-solid guarantee that the ones responsible for our financial woes will not be taking a pay cut. Too bad the banksters will never wake up to find that they will only be making minimum wage.

posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:57 PM
Lets see how pubic unions like being bent over a barrel like the private sector. See how they like not receiving a raise in 4+yrs while the company outsource jobs. You can't keep raising the taxes to give higher pay and more benefits to public unions. I think cities should look at outsourcing to contract workers to lower costs (normal city jobs, not police, firefighters or teachers).

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:04 AM
Having been raised in that town i can tell you from first hand experience that the town is already experiencing economic woes. This is not the type of thing they need out there. Luckily the people in that area of Pennsylvania are a strong group of people.

Here is some context from the source....

Scranton Mayor Chris Doherty cut everyone's pay -- including his own -- on Friday, saying the state's sixth-largest city is broke because the City Council blocked his proposed tax increase. Doherty, a Democrat, warned nearly 400 police officers, firefighters and public works employees about his doomsday plan, prompting a Lackawanna County judge to order the city to pay full wages to all employees, citing that it is a violation of their contracts. Hours later, the payday envelopes went out, and, despite the judge's order, they were light. Read more:

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:54 AM

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
Just have to rob all the pensions kill medicare and S.S.I.

howdy Hippy Dude..

there is more money in the over 125k "corporations" in America in the untouchable, out of the actual budget books known as CAFR..

they are faking being broke..

and that is not even taking into consideration the Federal Reserve prints FIAT money.. lol

wrap your head around these CAFR videos..

then take a look at this Mayors CAFR & actions again, either he does not know.. which is unlikely..

or there is a new angled tax scam he really wants and is throwing a fit....

peace out..

Google Video Link

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 07:49 AM

Can't people see where this is going ? TPTB are just hitting the reset button . Once everyone is making minimum wage then there will be "WORK FOR EVERYONE! " Just have to rob all the pensions kill medicare and S.S.I. .......... Oh yea, and take away the guns. It's almost over folks.
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

Sounds like a segment of out of touch people will be getting a taste of what many have already been struggling with, maybe they will wake up now.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:26 AM
This is the inevitable end for all overbuilt cities and towns.

Most of them have been bankrupt for a decade or more now. They're just living on equity.

I was born in a city that failed to end a year in the black for as long as I've been alive yet year after year the politicians in charge would do the most ridiculous things like install heated bus stops or add a whole new bus because 10 people had to walk a couple of blocks to get to a stop.

The idea is that you spend more to attract people to increase the tax base which in turn reduces the overall burden.

The reality is that cities are mostly populated by the under-employed who do not own any property. So the minority who are doing well are paying to float services for the majority who isnt participating. The politicians would sooner cut off their own arms than upset the majority voting base by cutting back on the services they take advantage of.

Running a city is a losing endeavor. The worst investment anyone could make. If you or I approached a bank with the typical method of running a city as a "business plan" we would be refused a loan and laughed out.

It's lose lose for every city in the nation. By design they are destined to be bankrupt.

It would require an apocalyptic level of reform to fix the way the things are done.

A handful of people earning six figures cannot sustain millions below the poverty line, municipal infrastructure, government bureaucrat salaries and career politician re-election projects.

The only thing preventing full-scale destruction of these cities is the few irrational holdouts who harbor such nonsensical notions as "hometown pride" and "tradition."

The best part of the whole ordeal is the bank doors are open and we can all see the $5,000 sitting there yet the unions are still suing. For what? There's nothing there!

Anyone counting on their government employee pension anywhere in the country should be sweating. Reality is finally hitting.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:27 AM
Do all the local department 'straw bosses' still get to drive those 1 to 2 year old-7 passenger-four wheel drive-always air conditioned-tax dollar supported vehicles??

Every time I go to town, I see numerous vehicles with my local county's logo, and it's not that big a county.....Usually one person driving a huge, empty, usually diesel, windows up, air on full.......and when one gets close enough to read the dealers name where the vehicle was is NOT a local dealer (in spite of the chambers 'buy here' ad campaign )!

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:11 PM
this thread isn't getting nearly enough ATTENTION.

HELLOOO ?? It looks like the global financial crisis is finally starting to hit home..........

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:57 PM
PT or Full, a single household employee paid at that wage(even if factored in comparison with the highest min wage state-WA- or city-San Fran- in the country), will now be at the US poverty threshold here.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:09 PM
Sorry but the city should have adressed this before it was an issue not when - reactive not proactive is the policy norm in this country and why we have these issues.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:14 PM

Originally posted by circuitsports
Sorry but the city should have adressed this before it was an issue not when - reactive not proactive is the policy norm in this country and why we have these issues.

That's the economic norm.

Otherwise the US loves being proactive with pre-crime law enforcement policies and pre-emptive wars.

If something can be done wrong the US can sure as hell do it the wrongest!

Let the economy crumble until it's too late then make it worse by artificially pumping up sectors.

Invade countries right away on faulty intelligence just in case they try to attack us.

Arrest as many people as you can now and hope most arent wealthy enough or smart enough to beat the bunk charges and call it being "tough on crime" ignoring the billions paid out in settlements every year.

Every stupid thing that can be done this country does.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:15 PM
The anti union people make me laugh. They have no clue what it was like before unions took hold nor do they care.
!5 -25 cents an hour.
No medical benefits.
No payed holidays
Little or no job safety
No overtime pay
No retirement packages
No stock options
Do people really think once the unions are dead that any company or business is gonna just give those things to ya ?
I had 100% medical and no copay !
I had my birthday off payed plus two extra days plus all national holidays.and 2 weeks vacation after my first year.
If I was sick and worked 5 hours I got payed for 8 hours.
If I worked 50 miles from my office the company paid for transpotation, hotel and 3 meals every day !
You clowns are in for a big suprise. Companys have been taking back from the unions since the 80's.
Just wait ! Can ya'll say " I make minimum wage too !" You will soon . .

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:18 PM
reply to post by OLD HIPPY DUDE

Scrsnton's problems are going to be worse when they have to pay back pay and damages for overdrat fees, late rent, mortgage and credit card payments, etc. Get your act together, don't rob from your workers. What an idiot.

posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 10:35 PM
This never would have happened if Michael Scott didn't move out of Scranton!

But in all seriousness, this is a tragic thing to happen. My heart goes out to them.

posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 12:07 AM
When he slashes his own pay first, he will be in a position to slash anyone elses.

Let me guess, this clown is protected at the expense of the same people who would like to drag him out by his ears.

Enough of this BS!! F'ing really!! This is crazy!

posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 04:56 AM
Some respect to him for cutting his own pay too, I guess. I believe he's in a terrible spot, and drastic times cause for drastic measures.

posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 04:00 PM
So ok, what in the heck is going awnnnnn???

We orchestrated a real estate boom, that doubled and even tripled, land value and house sales, that increases your land tax base.

So ok, how is it that some people fell off that gravy train?

You were supposed to increase tax revenue. Almost everywhere else, in the entire world where they have a civil society, they reaped incredible benefits from taxes when people built mansions and large houses and commercial property went through the roof. Taxes are based on property value.

Locally, as a for instance here in Victoria, with that money, they laid new water pipelines and did some infrastructure work, remember the buzzword infrastructure? We mentioned that one a long time ago. Here, the Federal government even had a surplus and they fixed a main artery that didn't need fixing but they beautified it, you know center divider trees and shrubs and rock walls and pedestrian everything. Just to spread some wealth around.
And that whole project was contracted out, took a year, so they continued to spread the wealth even further into the private sector.

Happy smiling people holding hands, and then, Scranton Pennsylvania. Isn't that where they lost that truck load of bananas once?

Harry Chapin sings about Scranton Pennsylvania...

Scranton Map...

Yes I think thats a darn good choice for a major trade hub. You have rail and you are centrally located and not far from the coast.

And lots of area outside of town thats undeveloped.

Good choice for a 5 billion dollar trade hub with warehousing for just in time inventory, and Internet everything, data farms, and food inspection services, trade agents, and banking etc.

Similar to this...

Eat your heart out strawberry, we ain't messin around. We mean b'ness. IMF funding global economic development plan, cloud distribution system, 90 hubs world wide scientific adventure.

G20 runs the show, jobs jobs and more jobs and profits and investment opportunities, wholesale market.

The Internet's shadow, on the ground.

Thats what we would like to build.

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posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 04:20 PM
reply to post by Rocketman7

So that covers a large area if we put a trade hub there. What are we going to do in Canada north of there?

I am glad you asked that question because of course there will be another war between upper and lower Canada over the trade hub issue at least there would be, if we didn't put it right close to the border between Ontario and Quebec, like in Hull Ont. And if it is over the border to Quebec, well as long as it is close to Hull Ont.

This way we can ship penguins out of Ottawa, yes they have penguins in Ottawa you will see them crossing the road with their umbrellas on their way to talk about talking about business and politics, in the great halls of our parliamentary system.

You see the size of these hubs is quite large they can cover a large area. We only have one size, then we have nodes which are shipping depots. But we cannot compromise on our plan to make them the same size or else we will have global issues of fairness to contend with. So putting one in Montreal and one in Toronto I don't think would make much sense. At the same time I probably would put one in Alaska.

And one in Vancouver, one in Calgary, so thats 6 so far in North America.

Alaska, Vancouver, Calgary, Hull, Scranton, Stockton California.

So we need one by Denver, and one somewhere North a Texas. Any a you good ol boys want a trade hub down theh?

edit: Actually maybe Regina instead of Calgary. Or even Winnipeg. We will see. Everyone in marketing loves Winnipeg, that is where all the major brands test their products. On those people. They are as average, as average is on an average day, in Averageland. So I would think Winnipeg. Geographically it is more central.
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