Iranian Leader: We Must Prep For 'End Of Times'

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by megabogie
reply to post by michaelbrux
 


You are a very deep thinker! What you are saying reminds me of the theory of Noetic Science.




a theory of noetics called Noetic Field Theory which centers on the idea that there exists an additional causal principle of purposefulness not found in ordinary matter but in fundamental cosmological principles of consciousness





Noetic science, in the sense of the study of mind power, formed a motif of the bestselling novel The Lost Symbol by Dan Brown. According to the fictional Noetic science of the book, thoughts have mass (contrary to the idea that thoughts are weightless). As gravity affects all matter, thoughts do so as well.


Basically, the idea that thoughts can cause things to happen.
link en.wikipedia.org...

now I'm off to look into the gog/magog. Thank you for some quite interesting things to ponder.


No end of times understanding is complete without considering gog/magog...end times is their specialty and nothing is the same after they pass over a civilization like a flood.

i'm not sure what they are, but I'm thinking they are likened unto a walking dead/zombie apocalypse.

while i'm thinking that the 2006 protest were a cheap, bootleg imitation of the real thing...the real thing should be quite interesting. for some reason, i used to have nightmares about them in the 70s banging on the city gate just before they break through.




posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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Think about this.

If you intend to beat someone up that you know is a better fighter, which would you do? Spout off about how you intend to fight him? Wait until his eyes are turned to something else and sucker punch the hell out of him?

Osama Bin Laden sucker punched us. I think a degree of deception should be expected in any attacks from that part of the world, regardless of who they are. Only a fool would attack without it.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
Prove its bullocks.

When someone makes such a broad and apparently preposterous statement as "the only 'shady' nuclear facilities in the middle east are in Dimona", the onus is generally on them to back it up. If I was to say that Winston Churchill was an alien from the moon, I wouldn't expect the statement to stand if no-one could prove me wrong. Perhaps no-one would take me seriously enough to bother.

For you to say that "the only 'shady' nuclear facilities in the middle east are in Dimona", you must either be an extremely high-level sneaky intermediary between various intelligence agencies with access to the most sensitive information that any of them possess, or just a common fantasist with an ideological slant against Israel. I would not bet on the former being true, no offence.


Let the IAEA in to inspect Israel's facilities the same way you demand they inspect Iran's facilities.

No? I didn't think so.

I didn't think so either. Quote me demanding that the IAEA should inspect Iran's facilities. The IAEA certainly think they should but quote me demanding that Iran should allow them to.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Israel do not belong to any treaty and are a friendly democracy..

 


Yes Israel is very friendly.
While in Spain the Jews were very friendly to the Arabs.
That's biting the hand that feeds you, no?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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One could even go as far as to say a world with a nuclear America isnt safe either. All America would need is a self fostered belief that what they are doing is the right thing and whammo. Japan is a fine example of this.

If Iran believes it is necessary to carry out their religious dogma and doctrines regarding their self perceived place in the war of words then so be it. Nothing any western nation does is going to carry as much weight as ones own justified beliefs in the matter.

In a sense what we feel or think doesn't matter. Iran is going to do what Iran is going to do. Nukes or no nukes. I have a friend who used to email certain authorities from that part of the world for educational purposes as he was studying the differences between Islam among the other muslim nations in an effort to understand the conflict from a different point of view. When they came to Iran and her president the conversation got more interesting.

He is not a secular ruler like that of the recently fallen. He is a teacher and pays himself a meager wage. He really is for the people of Iran in every sense his laws will allow set forth by Ayatollah. He even almost got in serious trouble for it by his own ruling party.

But because his beliefs are in line with the regimes, and he is a true believer in Imam Mahdi. That in itself makes him more dangerous as he is hinging any and all future actions on this belief and nothing else considered rational by a western sense.

He will accomplish what he is trying to do, which is set forth the path of chaos for the Mahdi's return. Theres not much at present we can do about that. And any war strike on our part is just playing into his belief that he is justified in doing so. Sanctions are doing nothing more than speeding up the time line for the very basis of why he's doing this in the first place.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:19 PM
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Messianic extremists are not known for doing only the most level headed and logical things. Regardless, you and I can go back and forth all we want on this. It is my stance that Iran, should they up their hostilities in the coming months, should receive a clear message from the rest of the world that they will not be allowed to cause harm either to the Strait of Hormuz or use nuclear weapons.

It is apparent no one is interested in stopping them from getting nukes, and they will eventually have them.
But when they do, it is my hope that all nations would stand against any aggression they show therein after.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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It is a real threat and they are a real nation. I believe Russia has made many threats in the past and we didn't run to bomb them into oblivion. Since it is a Muslim nation and Christians hate Muslims we will definitely be doing war there sooner than later.

Can you see how stupid having a national religion can be? Christians are just as crazy and they only want America to be a true Christian nation under THEIR God. Sure they will say they want peace, but when your back is turned they spew hatred just like the rest.

The answer here is to let them be. Let Iran be! Let Iraq be! Let Syria be! Let Afghanistan be! Did I leave out anyone?

Fox will feed your heads with propaganda and get you mad at the ragheads and you will spout off like good little warmongers and send your neighbors 18 year old kid to fight for you so you can eat your fatburger and drive your gas guzzler. Being ever mindless of the CIA work going on under your nose while they destroy nations in YOUR NAME because they can.

Iran is just another player in this global domination game being played out by the power brokers around the world and most certainly in our government. There is no way out of this. People will forget tomorrow what they learned today and the thought of doing something about it will be fleeting like a calm breeze in fall. So get upset with Iran or any other raghead country that spouts off about America destroying their country. Don't get upset with your own government though because then you might have to do something or shut your hole.

I say anyone who wants to fight should go right on over there and give it to them. I don't have a problem paying for the guns and the ride on a boat for ya to have a little target practice. I am sure the world will be just fine if you both blow each others heads off and not a damn thing will change.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by frazzle
Prove its bullocks.

When someone makes such a broad and apparently preposterous statement as "the only 'shady' nuclear facilities in the middle east are in Dimona", the onus is generally on them to back it up. If I was to say that Winston Churchill was an alien from the moon, I wouldn't expect the statement to stand if no-one could prove me wrong. Perhaps no-one would take me seriously enough to bother.

For you to say that "the only 'shady' nuclear facilities in the middle east are in Dimona", you must either be an extremely high-level sneaky intermediary between various intelligence agencies with access to the most sensitive information that any of them possess, or just a common fantasist with an ideological slant against Israel. I would not bet on the former being true, no offence.


Let the IAEA in to inspect Israel's facilities the same way you demand they inspect Iran's facilities.

No? I didn't think so.

I didn't think so either. Quote me demanding that the IAEA should inspect Iran's facilities. The IAEA certainly think they should but quote me demanding that Iran should allow them to.


No, I'm neither an extremely high level intermediary, nor sneaky, nor a common fantasist, whatever the hell that is. But I can and do read.

nuclearweaponarchive.org...

So since proof of innocence is being demanded of Iran, should not the same also be demanded of Israel? Otherwise one would have to admit to holding a double standard and I'm sure you do nothing of the kind.


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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Ben81



After posting that video more than 20 times here ATS in threads {3 times in this thread alone} it kind of loses it's sex appeal...


FYI


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Yes i know the truth really hurt that much
dont be to shocked

you never told me if you agree with all the facts this video is showing
until truth haters debate it with real counter facts .. i will keep showing the truth
when we ask the good questions .. you guys never answer

Its like a criminal denying his crime to the end
until we show him a video where he was caught by the surveillance cam
their best excuse when they see it ? .. its nothing get over it

Typical Pure DENIAL
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:27 PM
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If there were no troubles in the ME oil would be at $38Bbl.

You tell me who is behind problems.

World oil consumption isnt dependent on Arab oil and the US Dollar is.

who is causing the Arab Spring? USA.
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:29 PM
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It is a real threat and they are a real nation.



The answer here is to let them be. Let Iran be!


Soooo…you admit Iran with nuclear weapons is a “real threat” yet your solution is to “let them be”?

We’ve established the threat. If we 'let them be' what will the likely outcome be then?
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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I'm 100% against the proliferation of nuclear weapons, but I question the wisdom of starting many wars to stop it. Eventually everyone will probably have them, which is a scary thought.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by Soshh

Originally posted by frazzle
The only "shady" nuclear facilities in the middle east are in Dimona

Bollocks.


Bollocks.

Dimona is shady in a big way. They even stole the nuclear precursor thingymebob from the US to kick start Dimona. Also they are manufacturing polonium 210 to murder people.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by Evolutionsend
reply to post by projectvxn
 


I'm 100% against the proliferation of nuclear weapons, but I question the wisdom of starting many wars to stop it. Eventually everyone will probably have them, which is a scary thought.


flip side is one 7.62 or 5.56 round at a time for a long long time!

I got nothing against mushrooms as long as I dont have to see them



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by frazzle
nuclearweaponarchive.org...

So since proof of innocence is being demanded of Iran, should not the same also be demanded of Israel?

Realpolitik dictates that no state is innocent. I don't demand proof of innocence, or more appropriately proof of guilt, from Iran or any other country just so that I can wave it around on the internet.


Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
Bollocks.

Dimona is shady in a big way. They even stole the nuclear precursor thingymebob from the US to kick start Dimona. Also they are manufacturing polonium 210 to murder people.

Are you talking about Apollo? I didn't say that Dimona wasn't shady, but if you can prove that there are no other suspect nuclear facilities in the ME, I'd be very interested and you'd probably stand to make a lot of money.

Edit: I of course meant to say that we'd stand to make a lot of money, partner!
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by jacobe001
Do you believe in the constitution and the wishes of the founding fathers? No to Foreign Entanglements?


Sure, I also know the world ISNT what our founding Fathers,thought it would be. When there are those who don't care about me or ANYONE else, for that matter. Just Prophecy.....................and 70 virgins.


Originally posted by jacobe001
Do you believe in the Nanny State, where we spend our blood and treasure looking out for other countries, or that other countries should put up some personal responsibility and overthrow their own governments when they become to corrupted?


I believe you cant even ASK that question in Iran, now can you? Get back to me when you can. I will answer it, with the help of my Iranian brothers.


Originally posted by jacobe001
If you believe we have an obligation to the world and its people, then you must also agree with Socialism, Communism or some of its other variants as well, where we should also be feeding and clothing everyone.



Wrong. I like what we have, although I believe that this country needs change also. All citizens, in every country need to do what they can, to help each other. That's not COMMUNISM. That's called HELP. Its called being Human.



Originally posted by jacobe001
The reality on the ground is that the top dogs rely on war for control and power, and to make themselves richer, while everyone else has to make their own way as has been happening for the past 30 years.



So, whats Iran's reason for systematically keeping its citizens,under the boot of a Theology, where the people cant have the very freedoms you have, to speak your peace? Tell me that......

You cant. Because the easy answer, is to BLAME the United States OR Israel. Isnt it.........
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Realpolitik dictates that no state is innocent. I don't demand proof of innocence, or more appropriately proof of guilt, from Iran or any other country just so that I can wave it around on the internet.


You were the one who was throwing the word shady around the internet in regard to Iran's nuclear program even though there has, to date, been NO evidence that they are now, or ever intend to build a nuclear weapon. There are only memes being thrown around on the internet about the NEW bogeyman that are meant to frighten little girls. Like they did with Saddam's non existent WMD, like they did with Gadaffi allegedly killing his own people, like they currently are doing about Assad allegedly killing his own people. Cry wolf to often and the wolf might actually show up. Or maybe it'll turn out to be a bear.

One of those Russian Sunburns now, that'd be a sight to behold ~ if one's eyes could track that fast.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Sek82
 
You mean hardened nuclear facilities built into a mountain isn't cause for concern?
Considering we've got more nukes and they're fully aware of this, I'm not concerned.

Originally posted by projectvxn
 
The Mahdi Army in Iraq.
That connection to Iran is questionable and hardly relevant.

Originally posted by projectvxn
 
Constantly threatening to close an international water way?
How would you respond when faced with crippling economic sanctions? Lay down 'n take it?

Originally posted by projectvxn
 
Assassination attempts of foreign dignitaries in foreign lands?
Let's talk about the successful assassination on Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan, an Iranian scientist. Who do you think was responsible for that?

Originally posted by projectvxn
 
Threats like this are always ignored by folks like you until something big happens. And even then you will still blame the US or Israel for the mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv.

Yep, at this point in time I will. And I'll be sure to mention Pearl Harbor as a valid example of what happens when the US places sanctions against other nations.

The difference today is Iran has shown much greater restraint than Japan did.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:37 PM
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No, it's not "just about Iran." And no, we cannot ignore facts that would make the US gov't look like hypocrites who just want to rule the world at any cost...for their real powerful friends behind the scenes.

USA is like the big bully on campus who smiles all the time and tells everyone how noble he is and has all the reasons why he beats others up.


You know what eventually happens to bullies...they meet their match one day. Not everyone will stand to get beat up over and over without fighting back.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. It's absolutely insane how corrupt the US war machine is. Someone better stop it before nobody has the chance. It will not stop itself, and the Am. people will not bother pleading to make it stop. Most of them love war, as long as they are given reasons for it. Some people will believe anything.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by Sek82

And I'll be sure to mention Pearl Harbor as a valid example of what happens when the US places sanctions against other nations.

The difference today is Iran has shown much greater restraint than Japan did.


Right.......


While Japan was gobbling up, Every Island, in its vicinity, its ALL because of American sanctions.........

Lets just BLAME America for all the Worlds Ills..........


Iran's Restraint?

LAUGHABLE.

Yeah, tell that to the Iranians who die because of the freedoms they want, in their OWN country.

I can guarantee that most Iranians don't want what their Government is shoveling. Same goes for America. Just ask congress, what their approval rating is.


Do you think the average Iranian, who wants to just live in peace, thinks about "prepping" for End Times? Do you think they are willing to sacrifice for their Supreme Leader?

Iranians want what you have. The right to voice their opinion, without getting killed.


This is what Iran gets.


Get it?





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