A quote from the civil war, before it ended. You all should read this.

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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by xstealth
“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”


Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864


Yes, I see this happening to this day. The elite are doing the exact same thing. Beliefs in freedom and liberty are to be scorned. Patriots are to be seen as domestic terrorists. It is amazing how history repeats itself.


Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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You think men were incapable of seeing the potential and equality in blacks at the time? Lincoln was far from "broad-minded" on the subject. He though black people were lesser beings and said so, he freed the slaves to hurt the south econimically only (he never felt as if he was freeing his fellow men). It also served as great way to contiuosly denounce the south.


Lincoln wanted to send the slaves back to Africa, as he knew they had nothing to look forward to staying in the United States.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by Castillo

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
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So, now, there you go, pointing out that slavery was not the cause of the war.

Again, it was a catalyst. Not the cause. Period.


Spelling-out the word "period" and making it a single sentence is not a magic potion that shuts-down all debate, despite what many people at ATS seem to think.

Slavery was the root cause. Auxiliary causes, like the Import Tariff Act and the Nebraska-Kansas Act, were directly related to the slave question, as I said. Slavery was the root cause.

Here's a definition of what a "root cause" means since you seem to need it:

A root cause is an initiating cause of a causal chain which leads to an outcome or effect of interest.


You can be snarky all you want. Does not change fact. The FACT is, if there was a way to keep the south from seceding AND keep slavery, Lincoln would have done it.

You need to understand what "cause" vs. "catalyst" is.



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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Lincoln wasn't the great Equal Rights President that brain washing schools taught us.

He wanted to free the slaves, yes he did.

Then he wanted to send them all back to Africa.

Funny how much American History is full of Lies.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:28 PM
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Then he wanted to send them all back to Africa.


Source?

(Lincoln had nothing to do with the founding of Liberia so I'm going to cut that one off at the pass right now. Feel free to post another source that has to do with something other than Liberia.)



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots
You need to understand what "cause" vs. "catalyst" is.


You need to understand what "causality" is and how it relates to a predicate and secondary event.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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*** HERE AND NOW IT STOPS ***

We're not discussing word definitions from this point on, period !!!!

You will be Post Banned.

NOW DROP IT !!!

The thread is :


“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.”


Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864


and that is all !!!



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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There are several historians who state that he wanted to send the slaves back to Africa.




Yet Phillip Magness and Sebastian Page, the authors of Colonisation After Emancipation, discovered documents in the National Archives in Kew and in the US that will significantly alter his legacy.

They found an order from Mr Lincoln in June 1863 authorising a British colonial agent, John Hodge, to recruit freed slaves to be sent to colonies in what are now the countries of Guyana and Belize.

“Hodge reported back to a British minister that Lincoln said it was his ‘honest desire’ that this emigration went ahead,” said Mr Page, a historian at Oxford University.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

I feel he realized that the slaves had no connection to their cultural roots in Africa, had no education or skills, no financial means to better themselves and a population that did not want them there.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Castillo

Then he wanted to send them all back to Africa.


Source?

(Lincoln had nothing to do with the founding of Liberia so I'm going to cut that one off at the pass right now. Feel free to post another source that has to do with something other than Liberia.)

Hard to find sources from the Lincoln days.

But books suggested he wanted to deport the slaves to Belize, Panama and Guyana, a few hundred actually

were deported to islands off Haita.

It was said He was passionate about this , but had his Head Airred out months latter.www.washingtontimes.com...
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