Originally posted by Valhall
Not to mention the Enfield rifles sold to the Confederacy by England. He's going to have a real tough time explaining that one considering it gave an advantage to the confederate forces over the position they held prior to its issue.
One of the key events which made blockade running a viable business in the latter half of the war was the so-called Erlanger Loan (or "Cotton Loan"), an issue of bonds made by Emile Erlanger and Company of Paris.
Because Confederate currency was worthless in Europe, Erlanger cotton bonds became the de facto currency used by the South when purchasing ships, supplies and other war materiel abroad.
In a very real sense, the Erlanger Loan gave the Confederacy at least a modicum of financial solvency even as its generals suffered defeat after defeat.
The Erlanger Loan was issued in five European cities -- London, Liverpool, Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt -- on March 19, 1863 and raised 1,759,894 ($8,535,486). The bonds sold at 90% of face value, and were redeemable for Confederate government-owned cotton in the Confederacy itself.
This last clause was a critical catalyst in stimulating blockade-running, because the holders of Erlanger bonds had to risk the Federal blockade to convert them into a tangible commodity.
Originally posted by kyviecaldges
Again... Independence was gained with the Declaration of Independence.
Unfortunately it went by the wayside in 1871.
And yet the Confederate States of America still seceded.
West Virginia was a border state with supporters on both sides.
Illegal you say?
Valhall, I asked you earlier to give one example of a bill or law that was met with the resistence of southern politicians in the 1850's, I have not seen a response to my post. Do you have anything?
The Tariff of 1828 was a protective tariff passed by the Congress of the United States on May 19, 1828, designed to protect industry in the northern United States. It was labeled the Tariff of Abominations by its southern detractors because of the effects it had on the antebellum Southern economy.
The major goal of the tariff was to protect industries in the northern United States which were being driven out of business by low-priced imported goods by putting a tax on them. The South, however, was harmed directly by having to pay higher prices on goods the region did not produce, and indirectly because reducing the exportation of British goods to the US made it difficult for the British to pay for the cotton they imported from the South.
The reaction in the South, particularly in South Carolina, would lead to the Nullification Crisis that began in late 1832
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Valhall
Valhall, I asked you earlier to give one example of a bill or law that was met with the resistence of southern politicians in the 1850's, I have not seen a response to my post. Do you have anything? Any law? What did this tyrannical federal government (dominated mostly by the southern backed democrats) do to cause southern secession? Do you anything from the 1850's? Any laws?
The Morrill Tariff of 1861 was a high protective tariff in the United States, adopted on March 2, 1861, during the administration of President James Buchanan, a Democrat. It was a key element of the platform of the new Republican Party, and it appealed to industrialists and factory workers as a way to foster rapid industrial growth by limiting competition from lower-wage industries in Europe. It had been opposed by cotton planters, but they had mostly left the United States Congress when it was finally passed.
Named for its sponsor, Representative Justin Smith Morrill of Vermont, who drafted it with the advice of Pennsylvania economist Henry Charles Carey, passage of the tariff was possible because many tariff-adverse Southerners had resigned from Congress after their states declared their secession.
The Morrill Tariff raised rates to protect and encourage industry and the high wages of industrial workers. It replaced the low Tariff of 1857, which was written to benefit the South. Two additional tariffs sponsored by Morrill, each one higher, were passed during Abraham Lincoln's administration to raise urgently needed revenue during the Civil War.
Originally posted by kyviecaldges
What about the Morrill Tariff-
Morrill Tariff
No, the secession crisis really began in late 1860, and was sparked by the election of Abraham Lincoln. It is true that mentions of the “Morrill bill,” as the tariff was known before it became law, appeared during the secession convention in Georgia in November 1860. But mentions of the proposed tariff law were a peripheral issue to the much larger issue of slavery and the election of Lincoln.history1800s.about.com...
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by kyviecaldges
I'm not concerned as to whether you find this debate entertaining, I'm not concerned about your personal issues, I'm just concerned about your position this debate. I'm all ears, do you have any further arguments?
Along with a declaring martial law, President Abraham Lincoln ordered the suspension of the constitutionally protected right to writs of habeas corpus in 1861, shortly after the start of the American Civil War. At the time, the suspension applied only in Maryland and parts of the Midwestern states.
In response to the arrest of Maryland secessionist John Merryman by Union troops, then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger B. Taney defied Lincoln's order and issued a writ of habeas corpus demanding that the U.S. Military bring Merryman before the Supreme Court. When Lincoln and the military refused to honor the writ, Chief Justice Taney in Ex-parte MERRYMAN declared Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional. Lincoln and the military ignored Taney's ruling.
On Sept. 24, 1862, President Lincoln issued the following proclamation suspending the right to writs of habeas corpus nationwide.
At one point, the whole Maryland legislature was imprisoned at Fort McHenry as well as the Mayor of Baltimore, Mr. Brown, and a Maryland U.S. Representative, Mr. May.
One such Maryland legislator was Frank Key Howard, Esq., the grandson of Francis Scott Key. He was awakened around midnight when several armed men entered his home, and searched the premises. He demanded to see the warrant and the nature of the accusation, but none was given.
William H. Seward became notorious for his alleged ability to exceed the king of England in his power to have any citizen arrested simply by ringing a little bell on his desk.
It is true that mentions of the “Morrill bill,” as the tariff was known before it became law, appeared during the secession convention in Georgia in November 1860.
The Morrill Bill only passed in March 1861, 4 months following the declaration of secession from the first southern states. What makes your argument all the more weaker is that had there not been a declaration of secession from these States, and had they continued representation in congress, this bill would have failed to pass given the majorities the Southern backed Democrats held prior to the civil war.
How can you call any of this liberty.
1.The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.
2.An instance of this; a right or privilege, esp. a statutory one.
With that same reasoning, you can say that the Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust.
I mean Hitler did kill them.
History is on my side.
