Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by kyviecaldges
I'm not concerned as to whether you find this debate entertaining, I'm not concerned about your personal issues, I'm just concerned about your
position this debate. I'm all ears, do you have any further arguments?
I suppose that you find it perfectly acceptable that 'ole "Honest Abe" found it perfectly acceptable to suspend the writ of habeas corpus, initially
only applying to one state... Maryland... and he did this to keep them from seceding.
Which in all honesty is really bizarre considering that, according to you, they couldn't secede anyway.
For a group of people that couldn't secede he went to really great lengths to keep them from seceding.
Along with a declaring martial law, President Abraham Lincoln ordered the suspension of the constitutionally protected right to writs of habeas
corpus in 1861, shortly after the start of the American Civil War. At the time, the suspension applied only in Maryland and parts of the Midwestern
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In response to the arrest of Maryland secessionist John Merryman by Union troops, then Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roger B. Taney defied
Lincoln's order and issued a writ of habeas corpus demanding that the U.S. Military bring Merryman before the Supreme Court. When Lincoln and the
military refused to honor the writ, Chief Justice Taney in Ex-parte MERRYMAN declared Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus unconstitutional.
Lincoln and the military ignored Taney's ruling.
On Sept. 24, 1862, President Lincoln issued the following proclamation suspending the right to writs of habeas corpus nationwide.
I guess the Supreme Court didn't matter here because Lincoln decided it didn't.
How is this any different than the King from whom we SECEDED and gained our independence.
(remember the King remark)
Do you realize that at one point he had the entire legislature from the state of Maryland imprisoned in Ft. McHenry.
At one point, the whole Maryland legislature was imprisoned at Fort McHenry as well as the Mayor of Baltimore, Mr. Brown, and a Maryland U.S.
Representative, Mr. May.
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One such Maryland legislator was Frank Key Howard, Esq., the grandson of Francis Scott Key. He was awakened around midnight when several armed men
entered his home, and searched the premises. He demanded to see the warrant and the nature of the accusation, but none was given.
William H. Seward became notorious for his alleged ability to exceed the king of England in his power to have any citizen arrested simply by
ringing a little bell on his desk.
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How can you call any of this liberty.
The only reasoning that you have is that the Union won so whatever they did is history and that's that.
With that same reasoning, you can say that the Jews deserved to die in the Holocaust.
I mean Hitler did kill them.
And they couldn't do anything to stop it.
So he had the power and the might to impose his will and too bad.
Do you realize how asinine that line of reasoning is?
History is on my side.
I have endless support for my argument because this is what really happened
edit on 16/7/2012 by kyviecaldges because: (no reason given)