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Originally posted by marg6043
Whoa you got me there too I always thought that hamas was a terrorist group, interesting.
It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.
Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.
Israel "aided Hamas directly -- the Israelis wanted to use it as a counterbalance to the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization)," said Tony Cordesman, Middle East analyst for the Center for Strategic Studies.
Israel's support for Hamas "was a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative," said a former senior CIA official.
According to documents United Press International obtained from the Israel-based Institute for Counter Terrorism, Hamas evolved from cells of the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in Egypt in 1928. Islamic movements in Israel and Palestine were "weak and dormant" until after the 1967 Six Day War in which Israel scored a stunning victory over its Arab enemies.
After 1967, a great part of the success of the Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood was due to their activities among the refugees of the Gaza Strip. The cornerstone of the Islamic movements success was an impressive social, religious, educational and cultural infrastructure, called Da'wah, that worked to ease the hardship of large numbers of Palestinian refugees, confined to camps, and many who were living on the edge.
"Social influence grew into political influence," first in the Gaza Strip, then on the West Bank, said an administration official who spoke on condition of anonymity.
According to ICT papers, Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 by Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the movement's spiritual leader, as an Islamic Association by the name Al-Mujamma al Islami, which widened its base of supporters and sympathizers by religious propaganda and social work.
According to U.S. administration officials, funds for the movement came from the oil-producing states and directly and indirectly from Israel. The PLO was secular and leftist and promoted Palestinian nationalism. Hamas wanted to set up a transnational state under the rule of Islam, much like Khomeini's Iran.
What took Israeli leaders by surprise was the way the Islamic movements began to surge after the Iranian revolution, after armed resistance to Israel sprang up in southern Lebanon vis-�-vis the Hezbollah, backed by Iran, these sources said.
"Nothing provides the energy for imitation as much as success," commented one administration expert.
Originally posted by shoo
Well, Peter Hansen explained it quite good. I bet most people in this world believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization and just that.
Originally posted by shoo
Well, if anyone asked for an explanation why Americans are so disliked in this world, here it came.
Thanks to veritas93 and especially Muaddib, fighters for ignorance at it's best. I am glad ATS always comes up with people who really know about politics, history and learned to take an objective position.
Way above, like always.
Originally posted by shoo
Well, Peter Hansen explained it quite good. I bet most people in this world believe that Hamas is a terrorist organization and just that.
It's a very uncomfortable situation for this organization called Hamas. First of all it's membership consist not only of good people, a reasonable amount are possible or active terrorists. On the other side the Hamas is the only operational aid organization left to Palestinians.
It's somehow like wearing the Red Cross and shooting as soon as somebody turns around. But what to do? Nobody can tell them to split into the comfortable Hamas and the terror Hamas. A tough decission, without Hamas Palestinians will starve and suffer life even more as they already do.
Though, who cares?
What goes around comes around. The Israelis financed Hamas as they were founded and messed up the relationship to them. So bad luck.
But the parallel is interesting. The UN and the Israelis financed Hamas and Hamas members in hope of helping the situation. Both failed and still fail.
Originally posted by veritas93
Shoo, you so boldly throw insults and yet dare to call me ignorant? LOL. It seems like I am part of a vast minority on this site; a minority who refuses to live in a utopian fantasy and who refuses to practice such discreditting behaviors such as... insulting others without provocation. In fact, the majority of posts that I've seen on this site are incredibly biased, yet you claim that these people truly understand history? I also can't BELIEVE that you even dare suggest that YOU are objective lol. You've made your stance very clear on a number of threads, and objective is the last adjective that I'd use to describe you.
I have no intention of commenting on any of muaddib's comments as we do disagree from time to time. However, I won't let you get by with insulting my intelligence when you are one of the more biased members whose opinions I've had the misfortune of reading. Your anti-american rhetoric grew tiresome many posts ago. My desire for complete independence from the UN is an opinion based upon MY desires and not ignorance. Just because you disagree, doesn't mean that you're right and I'm wrong. I've had a number of foreign friends: 3 from Lebanon, 1 from Sudan, 2 from Nigeria, 1 from Ireland, 2 from Scotland, 1 from Germany, 1 from Greece, 4 from Chile, 2 from Argentina, 6 from Vietnam, 2 from S. Korea and I could go on and on. Not ONE of them disliked Americans in general. Not one. Seems like you're projecting your opinions upon the rest of the world. You've only made yourself look worse by posting that comment.
Originally posted by shoo
Well, if anyone asked for an explanation why Americans are so disliked in this world, here it came.
Thanks to veritas93 and especially Muaddib, fighters for ignorance at it's best. I am glad ATS always comes up with people who really know about politics, history and learned to take an objective position.
Way above, like always.
Originally posted by shoo
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