People raised Athiest tend to fall into religion when they grow up., page 1


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Topic started on 9-7-2012 @ 11:17 AM by FortAnthem
...and I'll bet their parents as SO dissapointed in them.

I found this interesting article that says that, of people who are raised to not believe in a God, only about 30% maintain their "religion" (or should that be un-religion) into adulthood.

Did you know that Atheists have the lowest retention rate of any “religious” group? Some interesting Data from CARA



But take a special look at that number at the bottom of the pile, yes the very bottom. Atheists “retain” only thirty percent of their “flock.” To quote the CARA blog: And if you think it is challenging to be a Catholic parent, try being an Atheist parent! Some 70% of Americans raised to believe God does not exist end up being a member of a religion as an adult (about one in five former Atheists drift off to become an open-minded agnostic or None).

N.B this number reflects only those raised as Atheists. A large number of Atheists in this Country are “made” in the sense that they were raised to believe but now are Atheists. It remains to study how many of them remain atheists and for how long.

Arc hdiocese of Washington

The article claims that religion is the natural state of mankind and that it is unnatural for people to grow up not believing in a higher power.

Why? I remember the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen observing many years ago that “Atheism is acquired.” In other words, no one is born an atheist, and atheism is not natural to the human person. Even the most casual observer of the human scene must accept that belief in God, is a natural and ubiquitous human trait. It therefore makes sense that Atheism, while a phase many pass through, it not usually an enduring state. We are spiritual by nature and “wired” to see beyond the merely physical, to the metaphysical, beyond the merely material to the mystical.


Here is a link to the original study.

I believe that all people possess a spiritual side that connects them to a part of this world that cannot be quantified by science. Whether this means there is a God or not, may be up to interpretation but, I believe it is unnatural for people to go about believing that only purely natural, mechanistic forces shaped the world around us while dismissing evidence for another, spititual plane.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:24 AM by FortAnthem
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From what I understand from the article, the Nones are people who believe in a God but, don't hold to any particular religious denomination.

They aren't athiests or agnostic, they just don't hold to "organized religion" and prefer to figure things out for themselves, I guess.



reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:33 AM by wildtimes
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I believe that all people possess a spiritual side that connects them to a part of this world that cannot be quantified by science.

I agree with you, FortAnthem. There are studies ongoing trying to find the "God gene", and the theory is that religion is a "spandrel". From the appendix in Robert Wright's excellent book The Evolution of God
To shift back into less technical terminology: you might say that we were “designed” by natural selection to feel love and awe and joy and fear. (So long as you understand that “designed” is a metaphor; natural selection isn’t like a human designer who consciously envisions the end product and then realizes it, but is rather a blind, dumb process of trial and error.)

But to say that these emotions are a product of “design” isn’t to say that when they’re activated by religion they’re working as “designed.”

Similarly, humans were “designed” by natural selection to be able to run and were also “designed” to feel competitive spirit, but that doesn’t mean they were “designed” to participate in track meets. Religion, like track, doesn’t seem to be an “adaptation.”

Both seem to be what the paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould called a “spandrel”—a phenomenon supported by genes that had become part of the species by doing something other than supporting that phenomenon. A spandrel is an incidental by-product of the organic “design” process, whereas an adaptation is a direct product. Religion seems to be a spandrel.



reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:35 AM by TheSubversiveOne
Originally posted by FortAnthem

...and I'll bet their parents as SO dissapointed in them.

I found this interesting article that says that, of people who are raised to not believe in a God, only about 30% maintain their "religion" (or should that be un-religion) into adulthood.

Did you know that Atheists have the lowest retention rate of any “religious” group? Some interesting Data from CARA



But take a special look at that number at the bottom of the pile, yes the very bottom. Atheists “retain” only thirty percent of their “flock.” To quote the CARA blog: And if you think it is challenging to be a Catholic parent, try being an Atheist parent! Some 70% of Americans raised to believe God does not exist end up being a member of a religion as an adult (about one in five former Atheists drift off to become an open-minded agnostic or None).

N.B this number reflects only those raised as Atheists. A large number of Atheists in this Country are “made” in the sense that they were raised to believe but now are Atheists. It remains to study how many of them remain atheists and for how long.

Arc hdiocese of Washington

The article claims that religion is the natural state of mankind and that it is unnatural for people to grow up not believing in a higher power.

Why? I remember the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen observing many years ago that “Atheism is acquired.” In other words, no one is born an atheist, and atheism is not natural to the human person. Even the most casual observer of the human scene must accept that belief in God, is a natural and ubiquitous human trait. It therefore makes sense that Atheism, while a phase many pass through, it not usually an enduring state. We are spiritual by nature and “wired” to see beyond the merely physical, to the metaphysical, beyond the merely material to the mystical.


Here is a link to the original study.

I believe that all people possess a spiritual side that connects them to a part of this world that cannot be quantified by science. Whether this means there is a God or not, may be up to interpretation but, I believe it is unnatural for people to go about believing that only purely natural, mechanistic forces shaped the world around us while dismissing evidence for another, spititual plane.



Since you stoop to the level of intolerance that christians blame atheists for, we can see that intolerance is prevelant in both camps, and the argument that Christianity is under attack no longer holds any ground.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:35 AM by corvuscorrax
Originally posted by FortAnthem

...and I'll bet their parents as SO dissapointed in them.

I found this interesting article that says that, of people who are raised to not believe in a God, only about 30% maintain their "religion" (or should that be un-religion) into adulthood.

Did you know that Atheists have the lowest retention rate of any “religious” group? Some interesting Data from CARA



But take a special look at that number at the bottom of the pile, yes the very bottom. Atheists “retain” only thirty percent of their “flock.” To quote the CARA blog: And if you think it is challenging to be a Catholic parent, try being an Atheist parent! Some 70% of Americans raised to believe God does not exist end up being a member of a religion as an adult (about one in five former Atheists drift off to become an open-minded agnostic or None).

N.B this number reflects only those raised as Atheists. A large number of Atheists in this Country are “made” in the sense that they were raised to believe but now are Atheists. It remains to study how many of them remain atheists and for how long.

Arc hdiocese of Washington

The article claims that religion is the natural state of mankind and that it is unnatural for people to grow up not believing in a higher power.

Why? I remember the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen observing many years ago that “Atheism is acquired.” In other words, no one is born an atheist, and atheism is not natural to the human person. Even the most casual observer of the human scene must accept that belief in God, is a natural and ubiquitous human trait. It therefore makes sense that Atheism, while a phase many pass through, it not usually an enduring state. We are spiritual by nature and “wired” to see beyond the merely physical, to the metaphysical, beyond the merely material to the mystical.


Here is a link to the original study.

I believe that all people possess a spiritual side that connects them to a part of this world that cannot be quantified by science. Whether this means there is a God or not, may be up to interpretation but, I believe it is unnatural for people to go about believing that only purely natural, mechanistic forces shaped the world around us while dismissing evidence for another, spititual plane.




Funny I was raised LDS but don't practice any religion. Don't qualify as atheist thought.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:36 AM by NOTurTypical
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You should see what happens on the battlefield when death is rapidly approaching.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:42 AM by TheSubversiveOne
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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post by FortAnthem



You should see what happens on the battlefield when death is rapidly approaching.


How have you made this conclusion?


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 11:49 AM by adjensen
Dang, you posted on thread on this study as I was composing my own

I have a little different take on it, though.

Indoctrination of the Young and Belief System Retention

(I'll reiterate one point I made there that someone already brought up here -- categories were self selected, so "none" cannot be a miscategorization of "atheist". It someone had one of each, it means that they were once an atheist, but no longer considered themselves one, regardless of what they now considered themselves.)


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 12:09 PM by MagnumOpus
Originally posted by FortAnthem

...and I'll bet their parents as SO dissapointed in them.

I found this interesting article that says that, of people who are raised to not believe in a God, only about 30% maintain their "religion" (or should that be un-religion) into adulthood.

Did you know that Atheists have the lowest retention rate of any “religious” group? Some interesting Data from CARA



But take a special look at that number at the bottom of the pile, yes the very bottom. Atheists “retain” only thirty percent of their “flock.” To quote the CARA blog: And if you think it is challenging to be a Catholic parent, try being an Atheist parent! Some 70% of Americans raised to believe God does not exist end up being a member of a religion as an adult (about one in five former Atheists drift off to become an open-minded agnostic or None).

N.B this number reflects only those raised as Atheists. A large number of Atheists in this Country are “made” in the sense that they were raised to believe but now are Atheists. It remains to study how many of them remain atheists and for how long.

Arc hdiocese of Washington

The article claims that religion is the natural state of mankind and that it is unnatural for people to grow up not believing in a higher power.

Why? I remember the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen observing many years ago that “Atheism is acquired.” In other words, no one is born an atheist, and atheism is not natural to the human person. Even the most casual observer of the human scene must accept that belief in God, is a natural and ubiquitous human trait. It therefore makes sense that Atheism, while a phase many pass through, it not usually an enduring state. We are spiritual by nature and “wired” to see beyond the merely physical, to the metaphysical, beyond the merely material to the mystical.


Here is a link to the original study.

I believe that all people possess a spiritual side that connects them to a part of this world that cannot be quantified by science. Whether this means there is a God or not, may be up to interpretation but, I believe it is unnatural for people to go about believing that only purely natural, mechanistic forces shaped the world around us while dismissing evidence for another, spititual plane.





Take a look at what the chart's tiltle tells. It is the retention rate for religion, which means all those that left took up no religion, were disenchanted with the nonsense and quit.

That would make the non-religion numbers huge, and added together, highly outweigh any religion.

Lets face reality, athiesm means non-religion, and when folks quit a religion they toss religion out and take up non-religion.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 12:13 PM by adjensen
Originally posted by BrianDamage
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by BrianDamage
The fact that the survey was done by a religious organisation spaeks volumes.


Circumstantial Ad Hominem fallacy.

Here.



Yeah, because they couldn't possibly have their own agenda.


So when Pew does a scientific poll that supports your position, it's okay, but if it refutes you, it's biased? Pew Research is not a religious organization, regardless of who hired them to conduct the survey, and the underlying data is there for you to look at.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 12:14 PM by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by BrianDamage
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by BrianDamage
The fact that the survey was done by a religious organisation spaeks volumes.


Circumstantial Ad Hominem fallacy.

Here.



Yeah, because they couldn't possibly have their own agenda.


You could have your own in using the fallacy too.. just sayin. That's a two-way street. It's your baby, feed it whatever you wish. Just make no mistake about it that line of reasoning is a logic fail.


reply posted on 9-7-2012 @ 12:18 PM by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by TheSubversiveOne
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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post by FortAnthem



You should see what happens on the battlefield when death is rapidly approaching.


How have you made this conclusion?



Im a military veteran. On what basis are you challenging my assertion?
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