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People abandoning the two party system in 2012 electon

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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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i have been discussing this with my friends for the past few months. i really do not like any of the choices we are being forced to vote on, and the solution i came up with is that we should all write in "none of the above"

i think that if we, as a people, would unite, we can make a difference!!

great post!! S&F!!




posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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I've voted 3rd party in every presidential election of my adult life, with the exception of 1996, when I voted for Clinton (Ross Perot dropped out). This time around, even if Ron Paul is on the Libertarian ticket, I'll be voting for the (R), right down the line. My hope is that the delegates can pull off a Ron Paul coup, but if it winds up being Mittens, I'll be voting for...um....against Obama.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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Originally posted by ItsSocietysFault
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


Yeah, I guess your tone is slightly more optimistic and I appreciate that. I would like to believe in "voting smart" for the better of all, but it seems hopeless sometimes. I have mostly been finding the most relevancy in the mass noncompliance idea, meaning non participatory, which I guess could result in breakage from the two party system.

L2A


Well in all honesty I was always a democrat till I found out they have little intention of correcting the wrongs of bush sr, bush jr, reagan, then obama. In fact I share NOTHING with the democrats anymore, except for them being less evil than the republicans...in some regards.

Listing my grudges with the democrats would take too long. the stunt they pulled with osama after he was dead 10 years prior, the continuation of the wars, lack of conern with offshoring. lack of concern with illegal immigrants, no one from bp went to jail, attack on libya, threatning syria, the federal reserve plunderings and the continous bailouts of big business with them NOTHING to show for it, etc.

I have seen enough to know they are rockefeller sellouts just like the republicans are rothscild sellouts. I am voting green party, socialist party usa, or communist party usa FROM NOW ON and no regrets. I don't care if they only collect 50,000 votes because I know I have done the best I could and can live with my concious. If only others did the same.

If people are rich they should vote for the libertarian party so they can preserve their fortunes without supporting foreign wars. Ron Paul IS a libertarian and was FORCED to run with the republicans which is why they are backstabbing him to death. Ron Paul is not a bad candidate, but certainly not the best either.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by celebration


I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with people saying, "I like Ron Paul the best, but there's no chance he'll win, so I'm not going to push/vote for him." I find it a bit pathetic...


No doubt. I hear this from everyone I talk to, dem and repub. I always point out that if everyone who said that voted RP then he would have a landslide victory.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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Ron Paul deserves a lot of credit just for talking about the federal reserve scam and not wanting anymore wars. I certainly disagree with his privitisation scheme and state rights, but that can be put on the backburner for later.

We need to expose the top feeders first and stop the masonic bankers from bleeding america dry!





Money flying left and right but the evil clowns in government could not care less.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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Nixon 2012



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Watch the Videos !!!






posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:27 AM
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Not voting for obama. Not voting for romney.

Who to vote for? I just feel like... what is the point?

I even have suspicions about Ron Paul, the supposed underdog but I don't think he's what a lot of people are led to believe.

I don't trust politicians and the lies they tell us.

I'm completely disillusioned.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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I think its people abandoning the crappy choices we are forced to take down our throats! In a population of well over 300 million people, the boiled-down-to-2-choices that we get are just...... not worth it! And the politicians have made it hard for a third party candidate to have even the slightest chance as they have manipulated the laws and created new laws to keep things in their favor despite what the citizens may actually want! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!! ARE THESE THE BEST PEOPLE WE CAN GET TO RUN?????????? (And no, Ron Paul is just too old, sorry)

So far I see Romney as absolutely nothing more than a very wealthy candidate who will be mainly for very wealthy people. I see Obama as having tried a number of things that have not worked at all. Romney represents EXACTLY what got us into this mess to begin with, and Obama ineffective at resolving the crisis,. but totally being obstructed by the Congress as well. I don't want either of them! But the alternative is ..... there is no alternative!

The system has been created and worked and shaped so that we really don't have a democracy and we really don't get actual representation. Allowing corporations to take over the election money and propaganda machine is just an extension of their lobbying powers. Without true change..... there is NO change. We can't snip here and there and expect anything but minor and on the surface only smoke and mirror appearances of change.

The System has been Rigged. The System is Failing. And the Crooks in Charge have no Intention of Allowing it to Change, even if it means Avoiding Total Breakdown! They would rather Go Down In Flames as Long as They Are At The Top When It Goes! (While always passing the true responsibility buck to the next group....which passes it on to the next group, and the next group.... hence our gigantic Debt!)

edit on 10-7-2012 by jaxnmarko because: Spelling and grammar

edit on 10-7-2012 by jaxnmarko because: more spelling



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:49 AM
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The woman in the last link, youtube video, really knows how to make anything sound uninteresting. I go no further with this statement and neither should anyone else. Just know that I thought she's a Buzz Killington.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Carseller4
Easy explanation:

1. Ron Paul supporters on the Republican side.

2. Democrats are running as far as they can from Obama. No Democrat up for reelection in 2012, in a perceived close race, would be caught dead going to Obama's convention.

Abandoning the two party system? Hardly.


I don't agree. I think people want to abandon it but we all have our lesser-of-evils. Republicans don't like Romney but he's better than Obama and Democrats don't like Obama but he's better than Romney.
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Your right in my thinking. The choice of Rep or Dem is pretty much ingrained with America, along with the usual Indy, but I am still going to vote RP. I'v been argued with by certain family members that voting such is throwing away my vote, or by default, voting for a particular Rep or Dem candidate. I see it as voting for "MY" candidate no matter how uneven the scales. The point is.....as more and more people who vote independent, the more the independent party gains momentum. And the momentum will eventually form a legit party able to have all the perks the Rep and Dem's have guarded for their own personal usages. The whole election depending on the R or D stronghold of the system. There is a wave coming, and it is fueled by disenfranchised voters sick of the bought and paid, lobbied candidates. There needs to be a cap on candidate contributions to a ceiling number, then every candidate would stand on their merit and not their bank account. I have observed that no matter the evil, people will vote the candidate that will benefit their own personal finances. They are too greedy to affect change towards an honest and just candidate, one that would benefit America not just their pocketbook. Sometimes sacrifices are needed to stem the corruption in our system. but no one is willing except people like me, who will have to suffer defeat to forward a platform that will return America to greatness both in character and honesty. Lets hope it's not too late to take down the corruption.
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If you had a 3rd party candidate with appeal for both sides (like Dr. Paul), people will still be hesitant to jump ship in fear that their lesser-of-evil will lose to the "bad" mainstream candidate.
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The consensus among voters it would take to actually elect a 3rd party is something the oligarchy is petrified of. This is why we are always being polarized in the media.


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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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I feel americans are brainwashed cowards and too right wing to change now. There is a choice but you have to go left. If you want right to cut down on spending and more liberty, that is definitely the wrong approach because it is all lies.

The right has traditionally been for the wealthy status quo. Monarchies, capitalism and religion. Monarchies died but everything is about the same. We have the illusion of freedom because we can vote but the media and big business has set very high standards in terms of financial and legal obligations to keep the smaller parties out of congress.

This is what people need to focus on and try to change. I think european nations, especially the piigs have a much better idea of what needs to be done and they will bring the change. Muslim nations have already tried as well with arab spring. America will become irrellevant followers and that hurts my pride because I am an american living in europe, but like they say "oh well, you can't fix stupid".



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Pepeluacho
The woman in the last link, youtube video, really knows how to make anything sound uninteresting. I go no further with this statement and neither should anyone else. Just know that I thought she's a Buzz Killington.


Yep. She is basically spouting non-stop nonsense in a fearful tone. Watching every single word as though she was in court trying to evade getting caught red handed by the prosecution. It was painful to watch much like the BP president getting grilled by the senate during the oil spill for hours.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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"you have to go left"?

haha

talk about brainwashed.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:15 PM
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I too, suggested such a thing in a thread I started not too far back.

I'm wondering why Paul isn't jumping all over this?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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Originally posted by Common Good
"you have to go left"?

haha

talk about brainwashed.


How so? Most people vote as far left as the democrats(center-right) and think they are communists.


Talk about brainwashed? Look in the mirror man. And I don't take someone else's opinion and make it my own. Try to debunk my claims with 10 words or more next time IF you want to be credible.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


I dont need that many words to describe how blind you are.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by Common Good
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


I dont need that many words to describe how blind you are.

Thanks for the words of encouragement.


Once again you are accusing me of your own ailments. I have written extensively of my views in quite a few posts and even provided videos. All you do is throw 1-3 sentence insults and expect everyone to believe you and in this stupid upside down world perhaps they do.

Enjoy your ignorance!



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 02:37 AM
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You are doing a great job


Keep up the good work.


sorry for the threee sentences, I hope you will believe me though.



posted on Jul, 13 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Florida Gov. Rick Scott is so unpopular that he has caused the Broward County Police Benevolent Association to leave the Republican Party en mass, and they are encouraging other Floridians to do the same.


www.politicususa.com...



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