People abandoning the two party system in 2012 electon

One of the main topics not on MSM and ATS is the real fact that many americans ARE abandoning both major partys.
Aside from the fact of the rable rousers of the Tea party and OWS everybody is fed up with both partys.
There could not be a better time in America for a third Party Candidate.
Even elected officials are retireing in record numbers . Many officials of both partys will not attend this years party conventions. Do they see the writting on the wall or do they know something that we don't.

REPUBLICANS

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DEMOCRATS

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I saved the best for last.
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Geee I wonder where the indpendents stand ?

Joe Lieberman 2012!!!!!



/sarcasm

Easy explanation:

1. Ron Paul supporters on the Republican side.

2. Democrats are running as far as they can from Obama. No Democrat up for reelection in 2012, in a perceived close race, would be caught dead going to Obama's convention.

Abandoning the two party system? Hardly.

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I could only wish! It would be lovely if the two party monopoly became a thing of the past. Bring on term limits and campaign finance caps as well! Here here!!

Originally posted by Carseller4
Easy explanation:

1. Ron Paul supporters on the Republican side.

2. Democrats are running as far as they can from Obama. No Democrat up for reelection in 2012, in a perceived close race, would be caught dead going to Obama's convention.

Abandoning the two party system? Hardly.

I don't agree. I think people want to abandon it but we all have our lesser-of-evils. Republicans don't like Romney but he's better than Obama and Democrats don't like Obama but he's better than Romney.

If you had a 3rd party candidate with appeal for both sides (like Dr. Paul), people will still be hesitant to jump ship in fear that their lesser-of-evil will lose to the "bad" mainstream candidate.

It's like two enemies seeing a solution but fearing the other will not take it up so they both sit there saying "You first"... "No, YOU first!"

The consensus among voters it would take to actually elect a 3rd party is something the oligarchy is petrified of. This is why we are always being polarized in the media.

I fully believe Americans, in general, have lost faith in the 2-party system.

Im one of those people.

I wont vote for Romney out of Principal, and I will not vote Obama cause he is a proven failure and an outright fraud. They are both for restricting American rights. They are both for working with people who send jobs overseas. They are both propped up by big corporations and banks.

Why would I vote for the "lesser of evils" when they are both evil? Evil is Evil.

People just wont let go of their party, no matter how corrupt they seem to get.


Party loyalty.

Its disgusting.

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All I'll say is it's about time. Personally I'm sick of both parties doing nothing but blame each other for everything that's going wrong. Maybe if we can get a third party to gain traction something might get done.

The People of The United States need to demand the removal of the electoral vote, and bring back the common vote! Any public office goes to the highest bidder.
I sincerely hope that the voters wake up and go third party, because there is no lesser of two evils here. One has ruined us financially further along than the last, the other choice will be certain destruction of what is left of the middle class.
Voting third party is the only way out of this current situation we are in

our founding fathers warned of the perils of a 2 party system

In fact, the Founding Fathers warned us about the threat from a two party system.

John Adams said:


There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.

George Washington agreed, saying in his farewell presidential speech:
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries, which result, gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of Public Liberty

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.

There is an opinion, that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the Government, and serve to keep alive the spirit of Liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in Governments of a Monarchical cast, Patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in Governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And, there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be, by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume.

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I may write in a vote for potus this year

The very last time i voted for a major party canidate slate was in 1972 with Mcgovern-Shriver (dems) versus the Nixxon-Agnew ticket for the repugs


since '72 i voted either 3rd party likePerot or Libertarian or Green or Constitution parties..the last 2 election cycles i voted Nadar who wanted to rope-in the Corporatology that has since evolved into a unfriendly Fascist ruling class


oh...yeah...NOW all the farts are coming to the realization that the system stinks... where were the 50 million sonombulists that were voting like Zombies for the last 10 presidential cycles for democans/republicocrats

i've been a voice in the wilderness for 40 years



"...I may write in a vote for potus this year ..."


i wrote in Frank Zappa once...no matter what they say... the vote does make a difference even if it only ammounts to the poll workers getting a chuckle

Originally posted by muse7
Joe Lieberman 2012!!!!!

/sarcasm

edit on 7/8/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

I don't know about Lieberman, but how about a mixed ticket with Paul / Kucinich!!

That would shake things up, and actually be a solid ticket.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by muse7
Joe Lieberman 2012!!!!!

/sarcasm

edit on 7/8/2012 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

I don't know about Lieberman, but how about a mixed ticket with Paul / Kucinich!!

That would shake things up, and actually be a solid ticket.

I'd prefer a Kucinich / Paul ticket but I'd take any combination of those two to run my nation.

All I have to say is that I'm neither Democrat or Republican.
I am a Conservative Independent.

NO PARTY PLATFORM to kneel down to.
NO PARTY AFFILIATION to suck up to.

I stand on the side of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I stand on the RIGHTS of a FREE PEOPLE, Unencumbered by SOCIALIST AGENDAS and LAWS that restrict FREEDOM in any capacity.
I stand on the COMMON LAW as a matter of JUDICIAL PRINCIPLE.

I am going to vote for the communist party!!!!!

Will obummer or romneyfart send me to guantanamo to get waterboard or treat me lke a make-believe alqueda member?

Does ANYONE know that the communist party exists in america???

Great news, and I appreciate you bringing this to our attention. I have been a strict denier of the two party system as long as I was old enough to consciously understand what it meant. As for any radical change or success coming from the U.S. political system, that is a different story. I do not anticipate any large differences or shifts in power or control, meaning the corporate elite powers continuing to call the shots, via restricting our rights and poisoning us. For every one of us that are aware, there are twenty that are not, ready to troll us into oblivion, and then eat McDonald's. Sad for all.

Love 2 all

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Well I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out unemployment will go THROUGH THE ROOF with all this outsourcing, illegal immigration is out of control, unions are being treated LIKE TRASH, the president and congress run by democrats and republicans could not give a rats ass about the people cause they pander to big business and masons.

Why the hell be a masochist and vote moronic? This is not a snipe intended at you, because you seem intelligent, but to the millions who vote after gobbling up a bigmack at mcdonalds and only watch sunday night football, drink beer and pray on sunday.

Surely there is MORE to life if we vote smart!

I've never understood why people rely on only two parties to pick the best leader for the country. I think people believe that if they vote elsewhere nothing will change anyways.

I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with people saying, "I like Ron Paul the best, but there's no chance he'll win, so I'm not going to push/vote for him." I find it a bit pathetic... I've spoken with several people that think with that mindset, which solidifies my hypothesis that there are so many more who feel the same. If we all acted and voted on what we truly believed (whether it be Ron Paul or any other "less likely" choice), then I'll bet there would be an up-turn of the two party system! Until then...

I guess I am the only one that does not make at least a million a year judging by republican fever that has hit america since its inception. The left is evil only in america. In europe, south america, africa it was always popular and never quite had the stigma of failure.

Pat yourself on the back for believing mcarthism and allowing millions to die in foreign occupations.

I SALUTE the hippies of the 60s and 70s as they were REAL MEN, not the COWARDS of today who fear protest, the police, the media and the military.

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Yeah, I guess your tone is slightly more optimistic and I appreciate that. I would like to believe in "voting smart" for the better of all, but it seems hopeless sometimes. I have mostly been finding the most relevancy in the mass noncompliance idea, meaning non participatory, which I guess could result in breakage from the two party system.

L2A

Originally posted by EPH612
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All I'll say is it's about time. Personally I'm sick of both parties doing nothing but blame each other for everything that's going wrong. Maybe if we can get a third party to gain traction something might get done.

The reason their "blame game" works is that they're both right. Republicans are anti-American scum who want to trash the Constitution and sell us out to their corporate (and Rothschild/Rockefeller family) daddies. Democrats are anti-American scum who want to trash the Constitution and sell us out to their corporate (and Rothschild/Rockefeller) daddies. They just take slightly different angles, and in the end, they're both left with something for one side or the other of the electorate to point to and zsay, "See! 'they' do/did this!" it makes it easy for the "Bottom 90%” (IQ, that is) to believe, fall in line, and submit.