10 Years after the Terror Attacks on 9/11 (Independent investigation)

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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by Myendica

Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by ClintK
 


The FBI alone spent upwards of 70 million dollars on its investigation. Toss in the CIA, NSA, and the DoD. Add in numerous local agencies. Dont forget the money spent by the engineering studies. Finally, the 14 million spent by the 9/11 Commission......it adds up to a heck of a lot more than was spent on Whitewater.


ahem... Source?


Ahem:

www.justice.gov...

EXHIBIT 7-150
TOP 15 FBI MAJOR CASES

PENTTBOMB 3,994,968 hours
man.. All those hours investigating.... And their conclusion didnt lead to OBL. So.. How come FBI spent all that man power, didnt find evidence obl involved...




posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Not true. He was not the person who constructed the idea, he was the one who approved its action. Again, here is a simple that is twisted into lie.

Sad...



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 06:22 AM
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Originally posted by esdad71
Not true. He was not the person who constructed the idea, he was the one who approved its action. Again, here is a simple that is twisted into lie.

Sad...


There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. Stop twisting the facts and spreading disinformation and lies.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Myendica
man.. All those hours investigating.... And their conclusion didnt lead to OBL. So.. How come FBI spent all that man power, didnt find evidence obl involved...


Instead of moving the goalposts, do you concede to the fact that the investigation was more costly than White Water?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by ALF88


There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. Stop twisting the facts and spreading disinformation and lies.



..... we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
............... due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.


-Osama Bin Laden

www.defense.gov...



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by ALF88


There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. Stop twisting the facts and spreading disinformation and lies.



..... we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
............... due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.


-Osama Bin Laden

www.defense.gov...


And you can 100% confirm he said this because....it's on a government website?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by homervb

Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by ALF88


There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. Stop twisting the facts and spreading disinformation and lies.



..... we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
............... due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.


-Osama Bin Laden

www.defense.gov...


And you can 100% confirm he said this because....it's on a government website?


Well, you can always read it here if you prefer:

www.npr.org...

or here:

www.npr.org...

or in this book:

Global Responses to Terrorism: 9/11, Afghanistan, and Beyond
By Mary E. A. Buckley, Rick Faw

or at the John Hopkins Library:

www.thefreelibrary.com...

Would you like other choices or is that enough for you?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:12 AM
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Originally posted by homervb


And you can 100% confirm he said this because....it's on a government website?


It's on YouTube ....we all know how truthers live and die by YouTube!



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:13 AM
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Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by thegameisup


It's a very balanced presentation, investigating the history of 9/11, it presents all the known accurate facts, and it is put across in an interesting way. It's not just another 'truther' video, it is never biased to one side or the other,


Could you please give us the timestamps of when he provided evidence in support of the "official story".

I watched the entire 1:29:48 of this Little Swiss Witch Hunt. I must have missed the part where he balanced out the evidence he presented for the Official Truther Story.


At the start, he says there are 3 possible scenarios as to who was responsible, and at the end during his conclusion he states it's difficult to document who did it without all the evidence being investigated, and with so many conflicting accounts.

He mentions the official version, bin laden, but also states that this has not been conclusively proven.

He never said who he thought did it, he left it open. I think he was fair. He never told any lies, he presented the facts.

You did watch it right?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by homervb


And you can 100% confirm he said this because....it's on a government website?


It's on YouTube ....we all know how truthers live and die by YouTube!


All the NIST videos are on youtube too, and you guys use those as sources yourselves.

Let's face it, youtube is the biggest video archive website on the planet, so it stands to reason that all the 9/11 videos will be hosted there. Nothing wrong with using it as a source, a source is a source, as long as the facts are verifiable and accurate.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Six Sigma

Originally posted by ALF88


There is no evidence that Osama Bin Laden had ANYTHING to do with 9/11. Stop twisting the facts and spreading disinformation and lies.



..... we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy,
who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that
would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all.
............... due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas
in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the
plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for.


-Osama Bin Laden

www.defense.gov...


The FBI didn't list 9/11 as one of Osama Bin Ladens crimes on their homepage, because they didn't have any evidence.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Your site is a dubious source, and incorrect. I noticed you deliberately left out the name of the middle fireman, James (Jimmy) Grillo, the guy with the bloody nose.

Well here is a transcript from CNN, when he spoke to Larry King, and he clearly says he was in the SOUTH TOWER when the lobby collapsed.

transcripts.cnn.com...

There is a 2nd part to that 3 firemen video, and this is Jimmy talking some more, so it can be confirmed it is him.

www.disclose.tv...

It seems to me that the OS'ers are telling lies about where he was, so it draw attention away from the fact these firemen state there were 3 EXPLOSIONS IN THE SOUTH TOWER LOBBY and this would upset the jet fuel claims.

It's no secret that NIST did not want that fireman video to be in the public domain, but it is, and the facts do not lie!

This website even backs up these facts:
www.bollyn.com...

And this website makes note that 'anti-truthers' claim he was in the hotel. Obviously you OS'ers want to hide this fact, just like NIST did not want this video out!

Here is the full, previously suppressed video of the 3 firemen - at 3:54 Jimmy Grillo gives his name.



Why are you OS'ers spreading lies?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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James (Jimmy) Grillo, from ladder 24 on Larry king aired September 12, 2001

As you can see, he clearly states he was in the SOUTH TOWER when the lobby collapsed, and that is where the 3 firemen were, and that is where they state there were 3 explosions!





waypastvne, you source is dubious, and it appears you are either not careful with your sources, or you are spreading disinfo? Which is it?



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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by thegameisup

Why are you OS'ers spreading lies?



Silly Truther. If Jimmy Grillo was in the lobby of WTC2 when WTC2 collapsed he would be dead. There were no survivors from inside WTC2. WTC1 did have survivors in one of the stair wells. WTC2 had no survivors

Ladder 24 was in the lobby of the Marriott hotel when WTC2 collapsed. Jimmy Grillo was with ladder 24.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Could you please point out to me, in Larry Kings Video, where Jimmy talks about the Huge Bomb Explosions that nearly killed him. I only heard him mention the collapse.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by waypastvne




Originally posted by thegameisup

Why are you OS'ers spreading lies?



Silly Truther. If Jimmy Grillo was in the lobby of WTC2 when WTC2 collapsed he would be dead. There were no survivors from inside WTC2. WTC1 did have survivors in one of the stair wells. WTC2 had no survivors

Ladder 24 was in the lobby of the Marriott hotel when WTC2 collapsed. Jimmy Grillo was with ladder 24.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Could you please point out to me, in Larry Kings Video, where Jimmy talks about the Huge Bomb Explosions that nearly killed him. I only heard him mention the collapse.



So now you are presenting another lie to cover up your earlier lie?

He clearly states in the Larry King video that he was in the lobby of the south tower when the lobby collapsed, not when the tower collapsed!

The 3 explosions are mentioned in the first video here:


Your initial source is false and not valid.

I did remember reading somewhere that ladder 24, which consisted of many firefighters, was split up, so there may well have been some of ladder 24 in the Marriott hotel, but Jimmy Grillo was in the south tower when the lobby collapsed due to 3 explosions, and he got out before it collapsed.

No one can dispute what he is saying in the Larry King video, and you are clearly spreading disinfo.

I know you do not like to be proven wrong, but you have to accept you are very wrong, and it seems you are deliberately spreading disinfo. He Larry King video cannot be disputed. He knows where he was, and the fact he was in the south tower when the lobby collapsed, not the actual tower, and the fact there were 3 explosions just simply cannot be disputed.

Nice try at twisting the truth, that is what us truthers are here for, to get to the truth, and expose OS'ers spreading disinfo.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by waypastvne


Originally posted by thegameisup

Why are you OS'ers spreading lies?



Silly Truther. If Jimmy Grillo was in the lobby of WTC2 when WTC2 collapsed he would be dead. There were no survivors from inside WTC2. WTC1 did have survivors in one of the stair wells. WTC2 had no survivors

Ladder 24 was in the lobby of the Marriott hotel when WTC2 collapsed. Jimmy Grillo was with ladder 24.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Could you please point out to me, in Larry Kings Video, where Jimmy talks about the Huge Bomb Explosions that nearly killed him. I only heard him mention the collapse.



Also, to prove further that you are lying and your source is disinfo:

Ladder 24 deaths - South Tower, which is where Jimmy Grillo was.

en.wikipedia.org...

Firefighter Tim Farley from Ladder 24, who was not in work on 9/11, and had swapped his shift with James Duffy, so he went to work when he saw what was happening at the WTC, and was relieved to find Duffy alive. I assume he would have felt very guilty if Duffy had died. Here is a quote from Tim Farley.


Then, in mid-afternoon Farley saw Duffy. Alive. 'He had been with some guys in the South Tower,' said Farley. 'Guys in front of them were killed and guys behind them never came out. But there was James and as I hugged him and cried, he later told me: 'That's the first time I had ever smiled as him." It was like a miracle.'


Source
Ten years on and we shall never forget the victims of 9/11

And if you watch this video again, and listen very closely from 1:24, the black dude says that they arrived in the lobby after the fires had started, after the plane hit, and they were wating to go upstairs, and they got out after the 3rd explosion. This clearly indicates that they entered the building (south tower) after the plane hit, and whilst waiting to go up the stairs they heard and witnessed 3 explosions, and after the 3rd explosion the lobby collpased in on them. These heroes we very lucky to make it out alive. This was well before the tower collpased.



And as we know from Jimmy Grillo's interview on the Larry King show, he was in the south tower lobby, when the south tower lobby collapsed, and not when the building collapsed, and the black dude was with him, so the black firefighter would also have been in the south tower.

There is undeniable evidence to prove Jimmy Grillo and co, and other members of Ladder 24 were in the SOUTH TOWER. NO one can dispute this, anyone can verify this from the information and videos I have posted.

No one can also dispute, that whilst in the south tower, these firemen witnessed 3 explosions, after the tower was already on fire, and the 3rd explosion they witnessed made the lobby collpase, and they were lucky to escape alive from the collpase of the south tower lobby.

It can also not be disputed that Jimmy Grillo clearly states the south tower lobby collapse, and not the tower collpase, becuase if it was the tower collapse then they would not be alive to speak about their accounts in the south tower.

So please, stop spreading disinfo. These facts, no matter how much you wish they were wrong, are true, and can be 100% verified.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by thegameisup


Your initial source is false and not valid.



Sorry you didn't like that source. Here try this one:




My Story, September 11, 2001

Once we reached the doorway I thanked God that we had made it and then entered the hotel lobby. There was a sea of firefighters all waiting their turn to start heading up. We knew we had to wait a while, so we loosened our coats and put down all our gear so we wouldn't overheat. While we waited, I noticed Jimmy Grillo, a member of our company, holding a five-gallon bottle of water, filling up cups with water so we would all be properly hydrated. Standing by, just waiting for our turn, I also noticed a bank of pay phones on the lobby wall. The lieutenant and I approached the phones trying to get a working line. We had a dial tone but all the circuits were busy. I even attempted to use my cell phone to get in touch with my family, but that failed. I was concerned about how much they must be worrying about me.

It was our turn to go up.

We started heading to the stairwell when this dark, overpowering shadow started heading toward us. It seemed as if it was in slow motion. People were yelling to run. My first instinct was to run away from the shadow thinking another plane must be coming in. I made a turn toward another lobby, trying to get away from the front of the building. Then I felt this force, like being in a massive wind tunnel. Firefighters were getting tossed around like rag dolls. I found myself being blown across the floor landing into what appeared to be a closet. The South Tower was collapsing.



www.thedailybeast.com...

The three firemen in the video were in the lobby of the Marriott hotel when WTC 2 collapsed.

They never made it in to WTC1 or WTC2.

Sorry to disappoint you.

edit on 10-7-2012 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)





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