Syria: Brutal Torture of a Prisoner by Rebels-This is What the West is Supporting

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posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 09:46 PM
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I watched the video. there is little doubt that the man is being beaten and roughed up. However, while I don't mean to pick a thread here, the part of the video that shows water being thrown at him, the part that the OP described as "boiling water"...watch carefully... the water is contained in a thin plastic bottle. If the water had been boiling, I guarantee that whoever was holding it, would have dropped it pronto.

Further, when the water hits the man - he does not react as though he is being burned.

The man is certainly being roughed up but I would have a hard time describing the actions in the video as "torture' or at least what I think of as "torture".

Tired of Control Freaks.




posted on Jul, 8 2012 @ 11:15 PM
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Interesting but such is war, and war is for profit. The Syrians picked the wrong friends, just like gaddafi picked the wrong friends, and look at were that got him.
Whats in a name anyways, but that which you call it...Let freedom ring....And lets War for Peace.
Personally I think its all waste of time and resources what there trying to do up in the middle east and elsewhere, but hey...Whatever.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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I think it is staged.

Notice how when he is dragged he always has clothes under him. That is protective.
It's not boiling water being poured on him - you wouldn't hold boiling water in plastic containers and it burns the skin off, it doesn't just make it a bit red - and here it doesn't really even make it red at all and he doesn't act like he's being hit with boiling water or anything caustic.

They are saying "confess confess, you are sabiha, kill him, break his legs, son of a b-, filth, dog, hit him hit, you traitor" just a lot of yelling and accusations of him being sabiha.

It's JMO, but it's staged, propaganda.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 12:11 AM
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double post
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 12:33 AM
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RT: Why do you keep calling people fighting against the Syrian government bandits? AK: Because I have seen what they do to the kidnapped people. I have been to the torture chambers; I have met mothers who saw their children die. The whole country loathes them as bandits. There is nothing worse than being loathed by your own nation. They killed a mufti’s son, they kill Christian priests, and they kidnap and torture children. A few days ago they killed two elder brothers of a five-year-old boy to take vengeance on him for reciting poems at rallies to support Syria. They massacred the whole family of an MP. I have been to homes turned into bandit hideouts. I have seen empty liquor bottles; how does it square with Islam? I have been to churches destroyed by bandits in Homs. I have been under their fire, with grenades dropping right next to me. I have been targeted by snipers who could perfectly see I am a woman, not a soldier. In the bustling street where I lived, near the marketplace, they blew up a few cars. Why blow up civilians shopping for food? RT:The opposition and the insurgents have sought to assure me that this is all the doing of criminals released and hired by the Syrian government. The insurgents also claimed it was the Syrian government that staged explosions in public places. AK: This theory is ridiculous. The government has announced nine amnesties for criminals and opposition activists never implicated in any murders. Yet now the government is blamed for these amnesties! Let me remind you that the bandits would first set court archives on fire with files of criminal cases and smuggling. A few terrorist attacks targeted buildings that stored the intelligence and police archives. For example, on December 23, 2011, suicide bombers set the intelligence archives ablaze before blowing themselves up in a car.
www.rt.com...



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 03:03 AM
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Ok, now let me get this straight...

In a time, where the Syrian regime is hard pressed ... a video pops up, with "rebels" beating up a guy, calling him names?

False flag? anyone?

I don't see any reason to buy such tactics, coming from the Syrian regime ... anymore than I see any reason to by them coming from our own troops.
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 04:01 AM
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There are hundreds of videos of rebels beheading soldiers,raping women,torturing children.Check liveleak or yandex .

www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 05:50 AM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
There are lots of people here who support the syrian terrorists just because the USA supports them; they think it makes them patriotic. This is the same exact thing as libya, afghanistan, and iraq.


I think whoever who supports a sinner is partner of his sin.

All we see that US govt is doing to Mideast is a part of big greed such as one world govt.



posted on Jul, 9 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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War is ugly but often it's the only catalyst for institutional change.


That is what I expect from an civilized person.

There should be constitutional changes.

But the local people should do it how they like.

How do you see this in Iraq or Afghanistan ?



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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The Link to the second video is not working, seems its been removed from source; in the first video The accent is Arabic Syrian.....they are mostly humiliating him and Humiliating Bashar, you cant verify if this is an authentic video but i wouldn't be surprised if it is i'm sure tens of incidents of this kind are taking place every day.

Act's of revenge is not uncommon in such situations every body will be out to quench his thirst.

but I have seen many posts in this thread and other threads supporting Gaddafi and Asad, don't mistake them for heroes and don't mistake the NATO, US, Russia, China, or Iran for heroes also, they are tyrants who have been abusing their people, and the latter are only playing the power game.

if the video is authentic, bear in mind a year ago these were ordinary people living normal lives and found them selfs in a situation fighting against oppression they suffered for decades by their governments. all the frustration is pouring out at once, they are not acting according to an agenda they are just fighting to win losing is not an option here.

Both the offenders and the offended in such scenarios are to be pitied, they both have been enslaved and deceived by their governments into becoming what they are now.
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Many members consider criticism of the rebels as support for Assad. Most times this is not the case as some people do see the game of dominoes that has been going on for a while now. Assad is a dictator, and just like any leader he will be disliked by the regular people. There are very few leaders that truly win the hearts of their citizens.

As for him being a humanslayer, I cannot deny this. He has always maintained with an iron fist...but let it be know the Western media influences the opinions of a certain crowd. That being said, it's bad nonetheless. I would be a fool to defend Assad after what happened to Maher Arar. He was a Canadian citizen who was tortured in Syria due to false intelligence provided by the United States.

en.wikipedia.org...

Maher Arar is not the only person who has suffered brutal treatment at the hands of Assad's thugs.

My concern is that what is coming will be much worse. Syria a rather moderate nation compared to it's neighbors. In fact I believe most the Middle East is painted unfairly as a complete armpit that lacks any human goodness. They are people just like me and you. We have our cultural differences, we both have faults in our societies.

The rebellion that is going on in Syria is not for the good of the Syrian people. Assad is not the best ruler to live under, but there are many worse. People weren't dying like this until the "rebellion" began. I'm not going to argue about the evidence that links the West to this uprising. It's been planned for decades.

I'm sorry that I could not address all your points since it was a rather long post but I think you should know that replacing bad with worse is not a solution, especially because innocent civilians are being used as a pawn due to different factions (what ever they may be) acting out their agenda under the disguise of a completely different lie.

Syria was better off before this started, Afghanistan was better before the invasion, so was Iraq. All these places had their problems but they were better then they are now.
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posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:20 PM
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Forgive me if I have misunderstood your point. But you seem to think we should "just stay out of there and let them deal with it". The problem is that "what they're dealing with" is partially "our" fault. So perhaps if we did just sit back and "not do anything" there would be a whole lot less of dead innocents.

This group of people who would sit back and whine about this which ever way it happens, who would they be? I don't know very many people like that. Most people have a side on the opinion and would rather it one way or the other. Even the most open minded people must take sides and stick to their opinions at times.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:30 PM
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I also noticed that the water did not appear to be boiling. As you said he got roughed up, but it looked pretty serious to me. Not only was it physical pain, but imagine the thoughts in this man's head. We don't know for sure but this man was probably killed after the video was filmed. He had the fear of death in his eyes and he probably knew he was going to die.

You may not see it the same way as I do but I would consider that torture. It's okay though I know you are not trying to pick apart the thread you were just voicing your opinion.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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If you watch it again, notice that most of the kicks and punches are OFF the screen. Watch it and look at it as if he were a well paid actor and suddenly it does look very staged.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:35 PM
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I don't think this was staged. Our opinion of whether or not this was staged cannot be proven either way so we are left to speculate. On that note, there is a lot of this going around and I doubt it's all staged. I'm not taking sides and saying Assad is a saint, but for our news sources to spoon feed us all these stories about the courageous rebels fighting the evil Assad is just ridiculous. I've said this various times in this thread but Syria was better off under Assad and now our governments are supporting another regime change that has no chance to do any good at all other than make wealthy people more rich while our tax dollars and perhaps even the blood of our friends and relatives are sacrificed.

We all saw what happened to Libya, do you want those people getting a piece of Syria now too? Oh sorry never mind they are already all over Syria doing the exact same thing they did in Libya.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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The second video was the exact same as the first video. The only difference were Arabic captions, and Arabic comments on the user profile. It also had links to other videos of the host of the channel.

I do not believe anyone is calling Assad or Gaddafi heroes, but neither are our leaders. Actually, Gaddafi was a pretty damned good leader. He was a bit of a loon but it's my genuine belief that he actually cared for the good of his people.

I consider Assad to be more of a selfish person, but I still believe he wants Syria to thrive. His fear is the ever present threat of Western influence which is part of what causes Middle Easter leaders to be so strict. That whole area is a very complicated chess game and the leader of every country in that area knows it.



posted on Jul, 10 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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May sound strange but i'm actually on Assad's side. My country has no business meddling in another nation's affairs, i and many americans are of one accord on this. The world got along just fine before the U.S. came along, it won't hurt the world if we stop being the world's police force. People have been killing eachother from the beginning of time. Just people doing what people do. Right now we use the excuse the Magic Man in the Sky told us to do it, and one day when there is no religion,what will the excuse be then? Copouts only last so long, sooner or later mankind will be forced to take responsibility for it's actions which will probably come in the form of extinction as recompense.



posted on Jul, 11 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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i'm not sure if i can find the words to explain this, but i will try anyway.. and i don't mean to criticize but this is the situation as it is.

You believe that you are being lied to by the the government and you are right, in most issues related to foreign policies they are in some attempt to lead the west public opinion; but you are assuming the opposing party to be righteous since the first side is not.

Actually this is a situation where both sides are either tyrants, deceivers, and criminals. In Syria for instance you couldn't pass by the boarder unless you paid the officer at the check point, a traffic officer can be bribed 100 SL and he will allow you park your car in the middle of the street "Literally".. the Syrian lands have been sold and used to dump nuclear waste by the regime, Political prisoners of those how apposed the regime are by the 10's of thousands if not hundreds and are mostly never trialed and never released, the stories about the oppression is crazy you may not believe this but this is the truth so is the situation in Libya and most of the countries around here.

On the other hand the other side are not so virtuous, actually they are the ones who enabled the likes of Asad and Gadaffi to rise to power and remain for so long, and they are the ones involved in the conflict either supporting or deeming the regimes in an attempt to fulfill their agenda.

America and the west wants to build more strong holds and have more control in the area, Russia-China want to preserve a socialist system who is considered a strategic partner and 16 Billion Dollar market yearly, Iran and Hisbo Allah wants to protect a shiat regime, people are the ones paying the price.

Don't assume you know the Syrian Regime after hearing a statement or two about liberation and opposing the world order. these are the strings they play the most, in reality they are scums. but so are all the others.



posted on Jul, 14 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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Not JUST a DICTATOR you people!

OK. When a whole class of children disappeared last year, because the school officials overheard some jokes on Assad, the parents called the local Secret Police headquarters. They said: Please, we are willing to apologize publicly and discipline our children.
The answer was: Don't worry about the children any more! We killed them.
Send us your women so we can make in replacement!

This from a Syrian expat.

Revolution - whether aided and abetted by the West or not - has broken out afterwards.
After massacred children, there was nothing more these people could lose.

Come to your goddamn senses!
This man Assad has several metres pictures of him mounted on every main town square.
With MANICURED GRASS underneath!
Fountains watering his picture where water is a treasure and people will walk ten miles to get a jug.

Kind of like Kim Il Sung in North Korea.
But still, just like the Maoists, the comfortable Western middle class idealizes this man because they have never ever lived under anything worse than a democracy.

We I have. And I heard Syrian expats telling stories for years before the Revolution.
Iran was peanuts compared to this. It was more like an Arabic North Korea with a penchant for state sadism.

If you completely disregard all the news for years that come from one of the bloodiest dictatorships of Earth - very good at torture - because of your dogmatic hatred of everything Western, at least look at this one feature.

No sane democratic leader will posts several metre portraits of him at every town square in any known democracy. With MANICURED GRASS.

But go ahead, live in Assad's Syria.
You will regret it soon. And there is not way out either. (Don't think you could just travel freely without a few of your relatives being grilled at the local HQ.)

I think will rather take any of the more tumultuous, multi-colored Western towns.
Unless it is full of idiots who should take pills against depression because they lost so much of their common humanity that they would rather support this monster - just because they don't know him enough, and they know their neighbours enough to hate their guts.

Please.

This tyrant-cuddling makes me genuinely mad.
I have grown up in a mild dictatorship.
The one that was before - which is still not as bad as his - still has its indelible traces upon the people - the tortured and the disappeared - for several decades.





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