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Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Kryties
You admitted he did not call himself an atheist.
That he is an atheist, by his views, but he has said, he does not fit into that category.
So Abraham knew that if h killed Issac God would have to raise him from the dead.
Funnily enough I never claimed that he was in the first place. Only after you said that he wasn't did I post relent info regarding this. Again, you are twisting my words.
after I simply commented that you were saying God sent Einstein to disprove Gods existence.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jhill76
You're starting to sound like my fundamentalist mother. Her philosophy is "Confuse the issue or argument to the point where the other person walks away in frustration and I win by default".
Originally posted by DelayedChristmas
reply to post by NOTurTypical
So Abraham knew that if h killed Issac God would have to raise him from the dead.
Did God tell Abraham verbatim that He would raise Isaac from the dead?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You should know that the sons of God had dominion on Earth before the rebellion of Heylel. They were already here before man. The Genesis 1:1 account begins after the judgment against him and the 1/3 that rebelled with him.
It still doesn't matter. (Even though this is not accurate, what you have written above, I won't get into that). He chose to have Lucifer on Earth with man. He could have easily have chosen somewhere else for him to go. So, by your theory, they have dominion over Earth, why would he send them back to a place where they had free reign to be with man? It was all for a reason, that Father has set forth.
Was or was not the shining one (nachash) already on Earth when man was formed from dust and placed in the garden in Eden?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Was or was not the shining one (nachash) already on Earth when man was formed from dust and placed in the garden in Eden?
It will depend in which capacity was they here for. If you are talking about living here, no. Be here for tasks set forth by Father, yes.
Are you saying then that Heylel deceived Eve before rebelling from Father and dragging the foolish 1/3 of the host with him? His rebellion from Father was the first cause.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
With all due respect that's unscriptural. Does that concern you?
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
With all due respect that's unscriptural. Does that concern you?
It is not. It is not written that is why you say that. The full account of what went on above is not written at all, and for good reason. What went on above, has no bearing on mans life down here.edit on 8-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
Heylel was already in the garden when man was formed from dust.
And please stop referring to the devil by a piss-poor Latin translation of his name.
As an angel this should be known to you.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Heylel was already in the garden when man was formed from dust.
You are saying, he was cast out when man was formed?
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And please stop referring to the devil by a piss-poor Latin translation of his name.
This is what his angels call him. Names are not important to above, man coins the names of all, even Father.
As an angel this should be known to you.
I have never made this claim. Also, the account of him and the others, is not accurate in Genesis. If Brother himself came and told you this, you would debate him.edit on 8-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Heylel was already in the garden when man was formed from dust.
You are saying, he was cast out when man was formed?
He was cast out before man was formed. Darkness and water was on the face of the Earth as a direct result of the judgment against Heylel and the 1/3 of the host that chose to rebel with him. He was already on Earth when man was formed then placed in the garden.
So heaven started calling him something new in the 5th century AD when the Vulgate came out? Really?