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Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Kryties
You said Einstein was not an atheist. I'm asking what makes you think that?
In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views.
Religious views of Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein's religious views have been studied due to his sometimes apparently ambiguous statements and writings on the subject. He believed in the god of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. He also called himself an agnostic, and criticized atheism, preferring he said "an attitude of humility."
Agnosticism and atheism
Einstein rejected the label atheist, which he associated with certainty regarding God's nonexistence. Einstein stated: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."[1] According to Prince Hubertus, Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[14]
Einstein had previously explored the belief that man could not understand the nature of God. In an interview published in 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great, Einstein explained:
I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things
Spinoizism
Spinozism (also spelt Spinoza-ism or Spinozaism) is the monist philosophical system of Baruch Spinoza which defines "God" as a singular self-subsistent substance, and both matter and thought as attributes of such.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by jhill76
Einstein rejected a personal loving God deity. Are you postulating that Father sent someone who would lie about His character and nature to mankind?
Again, I said I am not saying it happened, or didn't happen. I am trying to see others viewpoints on these things. I used an extreme case here. Like the other poster said, could he have not have come to advance the timetable?edit on 8-7-2012 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)
You can't go around cherrypicking quotes mate. Einsteins religious views very complex and, while he did not call himself an atheist, he most certainly did not believe in a personal God - the likes of which you speak.
God gifted the man, but I reject the idea that he was sent from heaven. He denied the Father, he was merely a deist.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jhill76
That was your implication, that he was a believer, please don't deny it.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
God gifted the man, but I reject the idea that he was sent from heaven. He denied the Father, he was merely a deist.
Even Lucifer was sent from above to here. So, I don't see how you reject it?
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
God gifted the man, but I reject the idea that he was sent from heaven. He denied the Father, he was merely a deist.
Even Lucifer was sent from above to here. So, I don't see how you reject it?
Heylel was cast down. He was a fool that rebelled. Most folks don't realize that the sons of God were also created with free will. Even a foolish formerly anointed cherub.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jhill76
That was your implication, that he was a believer, please don't deny it.
Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by jhill76
That was your implication, that he was a believer, please don't deny it.
Originally posted by jhill76
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
God gifted the man, but I reject the idea that he was sent from heaven. He denied the Father, he was merely a deist.
Even Lucifer was sent from above to here. So, I don't see how you reject it?
Heylel was cast down. He was a fool that rebelled. Most folks don't realize that the sons of God were also created with free will. Even a foolish formerly anointed cherub.
But, he was sent to Earth for a reason. If it wasn't for that reason, he would have been simply locked up as the others.
You then try to backtrack and say you only said he wasn't an atheist, not a believer of God.
You then said: "Einstein was not an atheist". This implies you are saying he believed in God.
Einsteins religious views were very complex and, while he did not call himself an atheist, he most certainly did not believe in a personal God - the likes of which you speak.
The "reason" was him being cast out. The others took wives of men and created demi-god offspring that is why they are in chains awaiting judgment.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by Kryties
I can't backtrack, when You have made an implication of self, not something that I said.
You admitted as much as well.
He did not call himself that, others have attributed this to him.
Again, you are assuming and making implications of me, as evident of what you have wrote.
Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by NOTurTypical
The "reason" was him being cast out. The others took wives of men and created demi-god offspring that is why they are in chains awaiting judgment.
No, I am saying why did God choose Earth, and not choose say Mars. He was sent to Earth for a reason.
I did not. I simply said that his beliefs are much more complex and that he DIDN'T believe in the existence of a personal God - as is evidenced by his own words. Please try not to twist my words to fit your argument.
Einsteins religious views were very complex and, while he did not call himself an atheist, he most certainly did not believe in a personal God - the likes of which you speak.
Attributed what to him?
You should know that the sons of God had dominion on Earth before the rebellion of Heylel. They were already here before man. The Genesis 1:1 account begins after the judgment against him and the 1/3 that rebelled with him.