Originally posted by Ilyich
reply to post by robhines
Both lucifer, and Jesus have been referred to as the morning star(Venus)
Yeah have read that often too, and it could point to the fact that they're actually a lot closer than many people think!
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by robhines
Jesus is the eternal God manifested in human flesh. Satan is a former cherub who got kicked out of heaven. Jesus called Heylel into existence with a
single spoken sentence. Satan is a created being, Jesus is THE Creator of all things.
So no, not even slightly equal.
Yeah this is just where I can't connect with you guys, sorry, I have to branch off and just state my opinion knowing we won't agree.
The idea that Satan/Lucifer, etc is created and that Jesus is God that created him/her, that Jesus is eternal but anything else is created and false?
I think all of us are eternal, if that's right then nobody "created" anybody, ever. I always try to read between the lines though, and to be honest a
lot of it reconciles if looked at differently. For instance I can settle with Jesus being the creator and Lucifer being the false and created like
this : Jesus was fully awake and with the source of the all. Lucifer on the other hand decided to be deluded and go his/her own way. So Jesus being
with the source was and still is eternal, whereas Lucifer's mindset
had diverged from the all, God, the natural way of things, and so on, and
so was classed as false.
But, and there's the thing : If Lucifer eventually turns back, or if he already has
turned back deep inside his mind and the people doing
messed up things are being played by him, then when he wakes up and returns he's also the creator, God, Jesus, etc.
At the end of it all I think this is, at worst, about Lucifer having a standoff and creating a huge amount of problems for a lot of beings, but
that will change
. It's not meant to go on forever, and when that happens Lucifer returns to the source
and becomes one with God again. Or
do you think Lucifer will be destroyed by God? That means God isn't all forgiving? I think that only the false mindset
is destroyed, or
transformed, so it aligns with the natural way of things, just like it used to.
So that's what I mean with all this, that at the root
Lucifer is in fact perfectly equal to Jesus, because he will always return to be with
that root of what he/she is, like all do, and be at one with the all.
This is just my take on it! I'm not saying I'm right or wrong. Also : by saying Lucifer isn't equal to Jesus, aren't you judging Lucifer? And what
right do you have to do that? Jesus loves Lucifer as he loves all, so do you honestly think Jesus thinks Lucifer is less equal to him? I think he
loves him as an equal, and that the true God/Goddess/Essense/Path/Way, etc, loves all equally, because we are all actually equals.
Do you think you're created and therefore not equal? Did you miss the part where Jesus said "Ye are Gods", or something?
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robhines because: added/typos