Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by Oannes
Lucifer does translate as Lux :light, and Ferre: to carry. The bringer of Light. Lets also keep in mind that Lucifer (En.ki) told the truth in the Garden of Eden. Yahweh (En.lil) was the liar.

Lucifer lost his title of being the bringer of light when he was kicked out of heaven.

Yes, he did lie, because Adam and Eve did indeed die a human death. He was never talking about a spiritual death.

See my lost above. He never was the "bringer" of light. He was the "bearer" of light, or the reflection of the true light, the light of the world. Lucifer is a terrible Latin rendering of the Hebrew to Greek of "Heylel" which means crescent moon. The moon bears the light of the sun, or reflects it to the world.

*sigh*


*tap tap*

Is this thing on?

Christ is the doorway based on his teachings which are fairly universal. Jesus taught almost the same lessons as prophets before him. I believe that anything but the "doorway" are teachings that don't tell humanity that the Spirit of God is within

From what I know, it was near the beginning of perfect creation from which Lucifer simply disagreed with the way things were carried out. He disagreed with the selfless unconditional nature of God and wanted independence and felt the universe selfishly belonged to him and whoever joined his rebellion. He revoked the selfless creative nature of God and believed that individuals should be in complete control over the material universe in a selfish manner. He believed love and goodness are conditional, based on if he feels you deserve it. egotism gets you nowhere.

God and his angels are unselfishly and unconditionally loving. Since they knew he likely wouldn't change his mind they wanted to give lucifer a chance to realize his mistake by letting him be an adversary of the universe to different life forms under various names (think of the "trickster" God)

Lucifer tries to fool individuals into joining his failed rebellion which orientates the individual towards service to self and selfishness which is always self destructive regardless and this is what Lucifer fails to realize in the darkness of his ego on these lower planes.

Can you see how The snake in the garden of Eden was lucifer? He fools you into thinking that liberation, protection, and freedom are his gifts but they always come with a price. Once man learned from the tree of good and evil , so man also learned life and death and now people are stuck reincarnating and forgetting what is really going on. Death was the price they paid for liberation, and so called freedom. trickery at its finest.

this is a cosmic battle that goes beyond Christianity, Judaism and religion. dont believe anything you read that misconstrues lucifer as your helpful adversary or friend of humanity. You think lucifer and higher entities aren't allowed to lie to you or something? or that they aren't more evolved and clever then most human beings?

Lucifer is beyond clever, look all around you at the world. It's true to a certain extent that since the garden of eden that lucifer was allowed to be an adversary to help humanity come back to God, to give him a satisfactory imaginary position of power so that he wouldn't wreck too much havoc.

To this day there are the individuals who are "luciferians" who believe in this, who are part of influencial institutions and organizations in order to continue this adversary - game for humanity. they are part of the modern day rebellion of lucifer and the people of this planet are their victims to trick into embracing their ideologies.

The media is perhaps the most blatant tool to the trained eye , promoting selfish materialism , lustful selfish desire , and overall superficial meaningless garbage. Hollywood has always been the hotbed of satanism (anton lavey), luciferianism and God knows what else. I highly suspect California is going to slip into the ocean for the sake of humanity.

Theres much to be said about this topic, but i'd be here forever. Just remember that the luciferian spirit is trickery at the highest levels and lies. Anything that positively promotes lucifer does not go into detail about the historical influence of lucierian faction in humanity (the 1%) throughout history. If they did, people would demand the blood of the elites.

The power of the individual is within, for it's the living spirit of God which dwells within. That is exactly which the luciferians would want you to deny and to accept the outside power of lucifer instead. That is victory against "God" for lucifer in this rebellion.

Can you see how the luciferians have control over this world, almost all religions and worldly powers give you this false belief that "God" and "power" is outside the individual when they are tricking you into forgetting that the living spirit of God is within. I'll leave it at that for now.

Originally posted by SpearMint
What if everything you just mentioned didn't exist and were merely creations of men?

LOL.

What if we made a "re-boot' of the Bible, and this time Moses is played as a thief?

Sure, there are the Gospels of Judas, and we've got some other texts that show Lucifer in a more "I'm on man's side" kind of light. But in the end, we are debating the fevered imaginations of a group that made it all up.

The only difference between Christianity and the Greek Mythologies or Norse Gods is that they've got the donations and PR today and the other myths lost. You might as well be debating if Loki was actually the good guy.

Sounds like fun -- and least for a Hollywood blockbuster movie.