Well it's been an interesting thread... Genuinely sorry to any of you that got offended, I just see the world at the moment being so unbelievably backwards that I had to question the idea, also that I do have to question everything I can and see where that leads to.

At the end of the day I know one thing, and that's that consciously, I don't know a thing. We all have what's called in some schools of Buddhism relative knowledge. Knowledge of how this consensual reality works and how to go about living in it, and so on, but there's another level of knowledge which is classed as ultimate or perfect knowledge, and I don't think hardly any of us have any of it really.

So you could liken it to Plato's Cave. We know quite a bit about the shadows on the wall, but not about what's creating those shadows and what's going on in that other, truer level of reality.

Again though, I don't believe this is the case. It was just an idea. One thing I've always liked since I first got into this is when someone creates a crazy theory that makes you think, because sometimes little parts of that theory can be right and better ideas can be made from them. Or that it just makes you think in a new way and allows you to think outside the box more in other situations, and so on.

Still though, wasn't expecting many Christians to even respond, nor was I expecting the thread to end up here, (I posted in General Conspiracies then it got moved.) nor was I expecting anything other than maybe 10-20 responses I don't think. So thanks again for all the replies, it's been interesting, but I'll have to stick with meditating, not placing my belief in anything, (other than that we're all equal, can't really shake that one off, sorry!) and just stick with these words from one of my own teachers :

"Don't believe in anything simply because you heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But if after observation and analysis, you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept and live up to it."

— Shakyamuni Buddha

Ya....I now worship my neighbors possessed dog.....

Salvations kinda slow right now but he says thing will pick up real soon.

Jesus and Satan are not one in the same, it says in the Bible,

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:17
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

While I don't buy into the whole 'God and Devil' thing, over the years, i've had less and less to say about the 'Great Mystery' simply because i've become more and more aware of how I am a pre-schooler when compared to just the possibilities alone of 'What Is'. For example, it wouldn't look good making big claimes when I can barely find my way out of my bedroom at night in the dark, or how on another thread I had a mental lapse on the very simple definition of duality, something I have studied for years. I'm not that great in math and I can barely operate a computer. I can't see radio waves (what else don't I see?) and I still can't figure out what Snork is all about, except that it makes me laugh because I have a gutter mind. Just those mundane examples alone put things in perspective in a big way and causes me to pause and be more cautious. Either that or it just makes me a more graceful fool, ehehe.

I tend to think that we have come here as part of our 'Work', this world has the potential of being a powerful Alchemical Lab if we are willing to embrace that potential or a powerful Prison House. Perhapes the 'Devil' whether from a non-literal perspective or what have you, can be a Tool which either helps us cultivate the 'Stone' or which can become our stumbling block in that cultivation, depending on the person. Lucifer does mean afterall 'Light-Bearer", eehee.

Maybe the idea of God and the Devil (with his minions) playing good cop and bad cop and what have you is not so far out, depending on how you look at it.

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff

“The Satan” mentioned in the Book of Job in the Old Testament is a rank, not an actually entity. Second the “God” of the Old Testament is NOT the same [Creator, Father] of the New Testament. The Old Testament actually is a representation of two separate deities: Adonay and Yahweh [Based off the Sumerian Enki and Enlil]. Lucifer and ‘Jesus Christ’ are related because ‘Jesus Christ’ is a Roman invention based off an interrelation of the Greek god Zeus. Emmanuel was the historical figure which ‘The Christ’ was based off of.

Well, the Romans sure must have been extremely familiar with the Hebrew scriptures in order to FULFILL the single biggest prophetic statement in scripture:
Adam - Man
Seth - Appointed
Enosh – Mortal
Kenan – Sorrow
Mahalalel – The blessed God
Jared – Shall come down
Enoch – Teaching
Methuselah – His death shall bring
Lamech – Despairing
Noah – Comfort and rest
Put those name meanings into a complete sentence and you get: Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow, (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching. His death shall bring (the) despairing comfort and rest

Religion/metaphysics (whatever) boils down to intuition and introspection. I do not care if people worship sh!t as long as it makes them want to be a better person and make the world a better place; then its all good in my books.
P.S. Emanuel’s message was of forgiveness and acceptance as these are the fundamental principals of our conception of ‘love.’ Everything else is false

Love does not equal acceptance/tolerance in scripture, because is it opposite to God. Tolerance allows evil behaviours to rise within a society. Tolerance states that you MUST accept every sort of behaviour, whether good or bad, and therefore it is not a demonstration of love. Love protects, love nurtures and love forgives. This version of love that the world has defined states that the tolerance and acceptance of abortion, for example, is to be considered love. How is it love when not only has the woman has become a murderer, but a baby has been torn limb from limb? Your definition of love states that acceptance = love, but how is it love to accept evil life killing behaviours? It's not. What is going to grow from this whacked out definition of love is humanity continually doing evil things thinking that they love the whole time. Love that is defined as acceptance is a straight path to the end of the age. Look around and see what this crazy definition has gotten us already in society - nothing but misery for millions. Acceptance of evil leads to death. Acceptance of good leads to life. Scripture portends that the end is brought about once evil is relabelled as 'good' and good is relabelled as 'evil'. Previously wicked behaviours that lead to death and misery become acceptable, and previously good behaviours are deemed intolerant and bigoted. People today FIGHT for the right to kill babies legally, FIGHT for drugs to be legalised, FIGHT for the right to have sexual practices to be the basis of marriage, and FIGHT for things that only lead to death and misery. Why? Because they ignore the fruits of such behaviours! They ignore the millions of deaths and ruined families because the love of sin is too great in them to give a damn about the consequences. That is the reality of believing that love=acceptance.

Humanity has been punched, kicked, spit on and run over throughout our history by these same tyrants. And what happens? The tyrants always lose and the cycle continues. People will not wake up until they're backed into a corner and the tyrants never know when enough is enough. The problem is, neither the people nor the tyrant has enough common sense to read a history book and understand how this works. The fact is, we can build all the advanced technology in the world, but until the day we stop the blood shed and put the bed time stories down, we will never be nothing more than a bunch of dumb animals.

Its just wild to see how some view the 1 who test their spirits/internal energies the most yet you got (West Vs East) building up .
Who would it be testing/strengthening their SOULS for and would it ALSO TEST OTHER BEINGS EXISTING A S HUMANS DO AS WELL???
Would/DID the CREATOR of this 1 know (omnipotent*) when it was SENT/FELL near humans & others that it would be a SPIRIT/INTERNAL ENERGIES tester thru temptation - -ignorance - greed - power - EGO influenced force. FOR THE CREATOR COULD OF DESTROYED THIS BEING BUT DIDN'T, THE still gave it time and its 1/3rd that fell with it before a time of CASTING Into the ETERNAL FLAMES to RE ASCEND HOME* all why learning what it did wrong and teaching humans and others a sit learns also. Its a wild subject lol but I still think there was a mix of data between 2 angels if not 2 or are more (ashyitan-demigods-devils-angels-GOD) CREATOR*

luicefer isnt are friend n if he truly wanted to go back to god then god would forgive him maybe n let him back so what you say isnt right if he did go back to god then there would be no more sin.